# \[ARC\] Semiosis **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [March 20, 2019, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507 "2019-03-20T20:22:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 50
**Author:** ![Echelon\_Moussou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/echelon_moussou/32/371617_2.png) [@Echelon\_Moussou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Echelon_Moussou)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2019, 9:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/995 "2019-05-17T21:18:34Z")
and what are the 5 we have ---
**Author:** ![dfase\_Anninen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dfase_anninen/32/131710_2.png) [@dfase\_Anninen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/dfase_Anninen)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2019, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/996 "2019-05-17T21:20:33Z")
2 letters were recently. 3 quite a long time ago. Above there is a search for stars from letters ---
**Author:** ![Vaet\_BlueRock](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vaet_bluerock/32/136248_2.png) [@Vaet\_BlueRock](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vaet_BlueRock)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2019, 9:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/997 "2019-05-17T21:35:26Z")
Oh our citadels on video too ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/9/3/93cba76578fdec2a66b0b9c2d1d97fe020ec6e58.png) ---
**Author:** ![Vaet\_BlueRock](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vaet_bluerock/32/136248_2.png) [@Vaet\_BlueRock](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vaet_BlueRock)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2019, 9:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/998 "2019-05-17T21:36:11Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/b/2/b2c864961836f6237a026e31b68a6131acc94441.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Gosakumori\_Noh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gosakumori_noh/32/308623_2.png) [@Gosakumori\_Noh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gosakumori_Noh)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2019, 10:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/999 "2019-05-17T22:03:22Z")
Mista is definitely the map. However, neither the Caldari nor Hedion University stations in that system match the station shown in first broadcast. Mista is in Domain, and therefore the Nation vessel does relate to it. Two broadcasts with the same system map but different stellar statistics and one mysterious station. Perhaps the Collective meant to show a different system in the first transmission… ---
**Author:** ![Echelon\_Moussou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/echelon_moussou/32/371617_2.png) [@Echelon\_Moussou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Echelon_Moussou)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2019, 10:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/1000 "2019-05-17T22:09:20Z")
Quick result: the temperatures and luminosities given to us as part of that data are not standard format, since neither set of 2 applies to any star in new eden ---
**Author:** ![Echelon\_Moussou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/echelon_moussou/32/371617_2.png) [@Echelon\_Moussou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Echelon_Moussou)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2019, 10:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/1001 "2019-05-17T22:12:41Z")
yeah, still confusing. do we have any more leads on what the star in the video looks like? we know that the total number of systems with that station is still pretty low so one could get close with just that ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_Paradisi\_Anteovnuecci](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_paradisi_anteovnuecci/32/388691_2.png) [@Uriel\_Paradisi\_Anteovnuecci](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_Paradisi_Anteovnuecci)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2019, 10:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/1002 "2019-05-17T22:33:17Z")
(Updated with new evidence) Sorting the systems by their Dazh Cat produces this: > **Gamis** > DAZH CAT: II-II > THERMOKINESIS: 15.5 > BELO-CHERNO SCALE: 10.395 > IMMANENCE: RESTFUL > PROTIUM TRANSITION: MEDIUM > POREVITIUM TRACE: WEAK STABLE > LIMINAL BOUNDARY: 3.061 > PROFOUND MATTER: 17.723 > > * * * > > **Niarja** > DAZH CAT: III > THERMOKINESIS: 9.5 > BELO-CHERNO SCALE 1.91 > IMMANENCE: GLORY > PROTIUM TRANSITION: STRONG > POREVITIUM TRACE: HIGH STABLE > LIMINAL BOUNDARY: 972 > PROFOUND MATTER: 2.48 > > * * * > > **Mista** > DAZH CAT IV > THERMOKINESIS: 7.0 > BELO-CHERNO SCALE: 0.79 > IMMANENCE: PURE > PROTIUM TRANSITION: MEDIUM > POREVITIUM TRACE: WEAK STABLE > LIMINAL BOUNDARY: 869 > PROFOUND MATTER: 2,782 > > * * * > > **Gelhan** > DAZH CAT: V-I > THERMOKINESIS: 5.7 > BELO-CHERNO SCALE: 0.31 > IMMANENCE: WANE > PROTIUM TRANSITION: WEAK > POREVITIUM TRACE: FAINT STABLE > LIMINAL BOUNDARY: 661 > PROFOUND MATTER: 1.591 > > * * * > > **Hatori** > DAZH CAT: VI-II > THERMOKINESIS: 2.6 > BELO-CHERNO SCALE 0.08 > IMMANENCE: FLAME > PROTIUM TRANSITION: FAINT > POREVITIUM TRACE: NEGLIGIBLE > LIMINAL BOUNDARY: 557 > PROFOUND MATTER: 1.034 * * * No immediately obvious patterns emerge here - but I’d expect a “DAZH CAT I” entry to arrive soon. [https://forums.eveonline.com/uploads/short-url/jDy5gHuU3o0ifi8ylbi3zyAPnuI.jpeg](https://forums.eveonline.com/uploads/short-url/jDy5gHuU3o0ifi8ylbi3zyAPnuI.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Echelon\_Moussou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/echelon_moussou/32/371617_2.png) [@Echelon\_Moussou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Echelon_Moussou)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2019, 10:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/1003 "2019-05-17T22:44:03Z")
hmm, artoun (and thebeka for that matter) contain the amarr station from the vid. interesting ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_Paradisi\_Anteovnuecci](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_paradisi_anteovnuecci/32/388691_2.png) [@Uriel\_Paradisi\_Anteovnuecci](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_Paradisi_Anteovnuecci)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2019, 11:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/1004 "2019-05-17T23:05:43Z")
On further looking back, I’m not sure whether or not it’s Judra - will have to investigate more thoroughly. ---
**Author:** ![Gosakumori\_Noh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gosakumori_noh/32/308623_2.png) [@Gosakumori\_Noh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gosakumori_Noh)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2019, 11:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/1005 "2019-05-17T23:08:17Z")
It isn’t Judra. We should track it as “Judra” to keep the statistics matched up with the station, but we don’t have the right star yet (probably). It was an attempt to best match a map that turned out to be Mista with a system containing the correct station type. Short of another transmission, it would be very difficult to identify the correct system. There are several dozen of the station types, the Nation presence cannot be attributed to the first broadcast, and the map seems likely to be an error on the transmitting end. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_Paradisi\_Anteovnuecci](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_paradisi_anteovnuecci/32/388691_2.png) [@Uriel\_Paradisi\_Anteovnuecci](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_Paradisi_Anteovnuecci)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2019, 11:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/1006 "2019-05-17T23:23:38Z")
So the lights on the station are obviously inactive - I’m going to investigate some ruins in the general same area, perhaps one will match more accurately. Near-certainly, the starmap shown in the video is an error on their part - it shows the same in two observational records. Edit: Investigating a lead I may have found - will update as I learn. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_Paradisi\_Anteovnuecci](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_paradisi_anteovnuecci/32/388691_2.png) [@Uriel\_Paradisi\_Anteovnuecci](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_Paradisi_Anteovnuecci)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2019, 12:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/1007 "2019-05-18T00:13:56Z")
SYSTEM IDENTIFIED: **GELHAN** ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/f/2/f29b936fe82b53cd515f93c1c2ec486a91a7962a.jpeg) * * * A potential clue came while investigating forgotten Amarr outposts scattered across space. An image of this specific one (as all of them are different) was captured [over 5 years ago](https://thabnken.wordpress.com/2013/08/12/forgotten-amarr-outpost/) by Capsuleer Thabnken Aih’Haken; upon seeing it I was certain, but I decided to fly over and take a look for myself. No signs of Triglavian activity - just as the others were, nothing unexpected. **Star details:** Spectral Class: G2 V Luminosity: 0.58 Radius: 492 000 km Temperature: 5698 K * * * **Systems, connected in sequence:** ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/8/9/89a1cec9b6329f3c8d0a34305818a167ba822574.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Gosakumori\_Noh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gosakumori_noh/32/308623_2.png) [@Gosakumori\_Noh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gosakumori_Noh)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2019, 1:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/1008 "2019-05-18T01:03:23Z")
Well done! Tangent: you should update Judra in your summary above. ---
**Author:** ![dfase\_Anninen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dfase_anninen/32/131710_2.png) [@dfase\_Anninen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/dfase_Anninen)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2019, 4:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/1009 "2019-05-18T04:12:51Z")
Surprisingly, an error with Judra helped find Mista ---
**Author:** ![dfase\_Anninen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dfase_anninen/32/131710_2.png) [@dfase\_Anninen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/dfase_Anninen)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2019, 4:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/1010 "2019-05-18T04:22:35Z")
Inside the triangle there is 1 nodal system. A blow to it will lead to sad consequences. I will assume that 1 will be Hati ---
**Author:** ![Gosakumori\_Noh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gosakumori_noh/32/308623_2.png) [@Gosakumori\_Noh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gosakumori_Noh)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2019, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/1011 "2019-05-18T18:46:17Z")
A supergiant and white dwarf (“alpha and omega”) remain at large. The conspicuous sequence is not necessary for triangulation, however, so the Triglavian interest does appear to be focused on the “Hatori Disk” itself - what is that, about 10 light years in radius? Given their wormhole/gate/filament technology, the Triglavians could avoid opening another front and providing us with salvage opportunities by locating their forward star killer platform in systems we cannot reach. However, if the Hatori Disk is roughly the territory they settled upon emerging from the Gate, a desire to Reclaim that territory may prevent them from acting rationally. A new technologically advanced empire emerging in the Eastern Amarrian Empire might represent an opportunity to bridge certain cultural divides and move Mankind forward into a new age of exploration and expansion… lol. There will be explosions and salvaging opportunities. ---
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Hita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arnold_hita/32/200917_2.png) [@Arnold\_Hita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arnold_Hita)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2019, 3:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/1012 "2019-05-19T03:42:01Z")
Just a possibility here, but have you considered that the sansha nation vessel may have come from a Sansha incursion, instead of being found as the regional pirates? ---
**Author:** ![Aiden\_Vayle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiden_vayle/32/208691_2.png) [@Aiden\_Vayle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiden_Vayle)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2019, 4:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/1013 "2019-05-19T04:41:51Z")
This is New Eden. Peace is _always_ too much to ask for. ---
**Author:** ![Echelon\_Moussou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/echelon_moussou/32/371617_2.png) [@Echelon\_Moussou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Echelon_Moussou)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2019, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/1014 "2019-05-22T17:00:41Z")
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