# \[ARC\] Semiosis **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [March 20, 2019, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507 "2019-03-20T20:22:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Evi\_Polevhia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/evi_polevhia/32/501296_2.png) [@Evi\_Polevhia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Evi_Polevhia)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2019, 7:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/101 "2019-04-04T19:23:45Z")
This changes things a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2019, 7:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/102 "2019-04-04T19:24:38Z")
> [@Aria\_Jenneth](#): > > Two, “nemesis civilization”: ??? Sounds as Gallente Federation. ---
**Author:** ![Makoto\_Priano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makoto_priano/32/383919_2.png) [@Makoto\_Priano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makoto_Priano)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2019, 7:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/103 "2019-04-04T19:34:34Z")
Ah-- yes. Admittedly difficult to get a sense of scale in a space devoid of references, but-- yes. That’s big. Very big. ---
**Author:** ![Mahazkei\_Vas\_Hiigara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mahazkei_vas_hiigara/32/374597_2.png) [@Mahazkei\_Vas\_Hiigara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mahazkei_Vas_Hiigara)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2019, 8:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/104 "2019-04-04T20:02:21Z")
Too big. If that is not a dreadnought hull and vastly dwarfs even an Avatar, then it is a supersized titan, or a mobile citadel platform of some kind. Given the scale of construction - in regards to how the construction is being executed - it’s made out of a barebones framework, so spartan it’s barely even a support frame. But the rear section can’t be much but an engineering section. The diagonal sections do not make for good hangar bays unless gravity is locally changed, but that takes more energy and even with a naked singularity as large as could be contained in this frame, making these design decisions is impractical. So it is a structure with a propulsion and engineering section, but is as large as, if not larger than most deployable structures to date, except for maybe one. The Drifter Hives. If the Triglavians are looking to counter them, one-to-one, then a mobile structure that does not need to be disassembled to relocate it would certainly be a great advantage, and one comparable to Drifter Hive relocation capacities. ---
**Author:** ![Dread\_Saboteur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dread_saboteur/32/270709_2.png) [@Dread\_Saboteur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dread_Saboteur)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2019, 9:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/105 "2019-04-04T21:12:21Z")
The word ‘‘mothership’’ comes to my mind something similar to what the jovians used at Vak’Atioth altho I find it very odd that the Triglavians chose to just build it and ‘‘wave’’ the design in our faces. ---
**Author:** ![Mahazkei\_Vas\_Hiigara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mahazkei_vas_hiigara/32/374597_2.png) [@Mahazkei\_Vas\_Hiigara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mahazkei_Vas_Hiigara)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2019, 9:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/106 "2019-04-04T21:34:34Z")
That might be the closet comparison we have, and if it is indeed a mobile structure, an apt description. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2019, 9:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/107 "2019-04-04T21:46:05Z")
> [@Mahazkei\_Vas\_Hiigara](#): > > The diagonal sections do not make for good hangar bays unless gravity is locally changed, but that takes more energy and even with a naked singularity as large as could be contained in this frame, making these design decisions is impractical. Changed from… _what_? We maintain standard gravity in stations, and those certainly don’t have enough mass in the right location to generate that force evenly across the length/height of say, the EFA station in Amarr. Nor is the station oriented to be making use of the nearby planetary mass (which would be providing microgravity at best anyway, at that altitude). Doesn’t seem like they’d need to be able to generate gravity in any more remarkable a way than we already do. ---
**Author:** ![Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bjorn_tyrson/32/371958_2.png) [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bjorn_Tyrson)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 12:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/108 "2019-04-05T00:50:15Z")
This is something that had been bothering me ever since I first got a personal look at the construct, by first instinct based on size was a station, however everyone kept saying it was a dreadnought of some sort, and being built seemingly by svarog it seemed credible. so I bowed to common consensus. next time I find myself in that room I will try and take a closer look at the “engine section” to try and confirm if that is, in fact what it is. although that does beg the question, if this construction, whatever it is, is intended to be mobile, and intended to establish a beachhead in k-space or anonoikis (however you spell it) it would require one HELL of a spatial rift to send it through, orders of magnitude larger than anything we’ve seen to date. which may be a serious threat in and of itself. ---
**Author:** ![Makoto\_Priano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makoto_priano/32/383919_2.png) [@Makoto\_Priano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makoto_Priano)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 1:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/109 "2019-04-05T01:27:40Z")
In terms of the scale of the spatial rift required, we’ve already seen the like: the nexus anomaly in Drifter Hives. ---
**Author:** ![Dread\_Saboteur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dread_saboteur/32/270709_2.png) [@Dread\_Saboteur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dread_Saboteur)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 2:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/110 "2019-04-05T02:15:34Z")
I wouldn’t worry their intentions don’t appear to have intended malice toward anyone except the drifters and oddly enough Sansha Nation . It’ll likely see deployment inside the drifter wormholes to destroy their hives.There’s not much in there. ---
**Author:** ![Siegfried\_Tahl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/siegfried_tahl/32/377209_2.png) [@Siegfried\_Tahl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Siegfried_Tahl)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 8:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/111 "2019-04-05T08:16:56Z")
It bothers me we never seen faces of Triglavian people. What’s under that mask? How do they look like? I have a theory BTW. Those Koschoi, Navka and Narodnya parts in my opinion seem to refer to different parts of the same person. It’s like those are feminine (Navka), masculine (Koschoi) and shadow (Narodnya) parts of a persons consciousness (and/or subconsciousness). There is another thing which I’m currently trying to wrap my head around, which I might share later. But this Zorya Triglav from the billboard message, I think will pilot this uber-titan ship and it will in some way include entire Triglavian race. Much like Jovian Construct Motherships once did. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 1:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/112 "2019-04-05T13:00:03Z")
> [@Siegfried\_Tahl](#): > > What’s under that mask? How do they look like? ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/3/8/385924fc5a5e05b2e26060eec312c2ba85a8a28a.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Gosakumori\_Noh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gosakumori_noh/32/308623_2.png) [@Gosakumori\_Noh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gosakumori_Noh)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/113 "2019-04-05T14:28:37Z")
> [@Siegfried\_Tahl](#): > > I have a theory BTW. Those Koschoi, Navka and Narodnya parts in my opinion seem to refer to different parts of the same person. It’s like those are feminine (Navka), masculine (Koschoi) and shadow (Narodnya) parts of a persons consciousness (and/or subconsciousness). Intriguing! Candidly, the masks made me think immediately of holo villains. Sure, holo villains are fun. But it is a bit curious that leaders of a nemesis civilization building planet-shattering kaboom devices need to have fun or hide their nature behind masks. ---
**Author:** ![Taloris\_Aldercain](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/taloris_aldercain/32/317529_2.png) [@Taloris\_Aldercain](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Taloris_Aldercain)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 2:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/114 "2019-04-05T14:33:29Z")
So, are we going to start placing bets on where this structure will make its appearance? For now, I’m going with Charmerout. ---
**Author:** ![Makoto\_Priano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makoto_priano/32/383919_2.png) [@Makoto\_Priano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makoto_Priano)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 2:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/115 "2019-04-05T14:36:13Z")
Pilots; Notice. At this time, three Triglavian messages have been received: Directives 21 and A from Perun; Directive 2C from Svarog. Work underway. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 2:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/116 "2019-04-05T14:42:26Z")
Has anyone cleared the defensive formation, then parked their ship directly on top of the scaffolding to get exact scaling? Or, you know, used wreck positions or jetcans to measure the distance? ---
**Author:** ![Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bjorn_tyrson/32/371958_2.png) [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bjorn_Tyrson)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 3:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/117 "2019-04-05T15:20:20Z")
I will try and do this later today. ---
**Author:** ![Aradina\_Varren](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aradina_varren/32/398702_2.png) [@Aradina\_Varren](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aradina_Varren)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 3:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/118 "2019-04-05T15:53:27Z")
Translations of the three messages. “Jovian-Triglavian satellite polity” is pretty interesting. RElSRUNUSVZFIEE - Perun Clade > exploration > operations > have failed > to establish > active locus > for Jove Empire > of the Chamber of > Tyrant > > stability of > local spatio-temporal > environment diverges > from archive reference > data pertaining to > !query++encode|Jovian > expansionist > polity iter.4.? > ?recode++process! > > procedures > for continued > exploration > and surveillance > under > contemplation RElSRUNUSVZFIDIx - Perun Clade > augmented > human > entities > within > singleton > format > ranges > have > demonstrated > highly variable > motivational > imperatives > > cybernetic > adaptation > for > personality-level > command identity > submergence > should be > analyzed > for conformity > > exploratory > operations > planning > will > incorporate > contingencies > for sampling > and analysis > of > augmented > human > entities RElSRUNUSVZFIDJD - Svarog Clade > human augmented e > ntities in > non-singleton > formats have > met diagnostic > threshold > in multi-variate > dimensions > triggering > countervailing > imperatives > > archived > comparison > profile > !query++encode|Jovian-Triglavian > satellite > polity > ident:JT(N?)BZx12t(7?) > cat:hybrid > subcat:hivemind > iter.1.2.? > |recode++process! > > effective > action > for elimination > of hivemind > corruption > should not > be hindered > by imperative > for further > sampling ---
**Author:** ![Tanagura\_Amoii](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tanagura_amoii/32/310830_2.png) [@Tanagura\_Amoii](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tanagura_Amoii)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 5:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/119 "2019-04-05T17:06:55Z")
> [@Aradina\_Varren](#): > > augmented human entities within singleton format ranges have demonstrated highly variable motivational imperatives Is it correct? Singleton is not unique/constant? ---
**Author:** ![Makoto\_Priano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makoto_priano/32/383919_2.png) [@Makoto\_Priano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makoto_Priano)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/120 "2019-04-05T17:11:40Z")
Considering how many thousands of independent Capsuleers have explored the Abyss, I’d assume not. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507.md?page=7)