# \[ARC\]\[SFRIM\] Call To Aid Victims of Illegal Human Trafficking, Project to Assist Former Slaves **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [July 12, 2018, 8:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-sfrim-call-to-aid-victims-of-illegal-human-trafficking-project-to-assist-former-slaves/88674 "2018-07-12T08:14:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 2:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-sfrim-call-to-aid-victims-of-illegal-human-trafficking-project-to-assist-former-slaves/88674/21 "2018-07-12T14:21:06Z")
> [@Makoto\_Priano](#): > > Should we not? Should we sit on our hands and say nothing at all while millions die in the vacuum of space? Oh right, only SFRIM is doing anything at all. Everyone else is just mindlessly abandoning people to die. SFRIM are the good guys. > [@Makoto\_Priano](#): > > That seems to be the argument here. No it’s not, and you know it. ---
**Author:** ![Lasairiona\_Raske](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lasairiona_raske/32/467893_2.png) [@Lasairiona\_Raske](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lasairiona_Raske)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-sfrim-call-to-aid-victims-of-illegal-human-trafficking-project-to-assist-former-slaves/88674/22 "2018-07-12T14:24:59Z")
Deviating from the issued statement, when ARC and SFRIM are both advocating for abandoned slaves to be turned over to U’K, seems to be creating something out of nothing to perpetuate an endless debate about slavery and the Amarrian people. This is not the correct platform for said debate. ---
**Author:** ![Makoto\_Priano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makoto_priano/32/383919_2.png) [@Makoto\_Priano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makoto_Priano)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 2:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-sfrim-call-to-aid-victims-of-illegal-human-trafficking-project-to-assist-former-slaves/88674/23 "2018-07-12T14:27:10Z")
Whereupon I must answer, “That’s not the argument here, either, and you know it.” Please, this isn’t zero sum. I think if you were to launch a broader initiative and seek wider support for this, it’d all be for the good! I’d have to consult with the other coordinators before saying, “ARC as a whole would support this,” but I know _I_ would. So, what it comes to is this: an Amarr organization, SFRIM, and Matari disagree on the ‘legal’ slavery thing. Nothing new there. Does this mean that SFRIM and the Matari shouldn’t both work diligently on the thing they agree on? ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-sfrim-call-to-aid-victims-of-illegal-human-trafficking-project-to-assist-former-slaves/88674/24 "2018-07-12T14:28:10Z")
The “Issued Statement” might have had some worth if it wasn’t blatantly hypocrisy, given SFRIM’s _stated_ support of the aforementioned ocean they’re currently flicking droplets out of. This is pure pandering and a public relations stunt, until SFRIM makes a _real_ stand for or against the subject in question. No. We do not ‘agree’ on this subject. Not while they’re this two-faced. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-sfrim-call-to-aid-victims-of-illegal-human-trafficking-project-to-assist-former-slaves/88674/25 "2018-07-12T14:28:36Z")
^ That. And apparently the PR stunt worked. ---
**Author:** ![Enso\_Nibbana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/enso_nibbana/32/481196_2.png) [@Enso\_Nibbana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Enso_Nibbana)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 2:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-sfrim-call-to-aid-victims-of-illegal-human-trafficking-project-to-assist-former-slaves/88674/26 "2018-07-12T14:33:54Z")
You realize not only will the genocide of the human race be required for you to extinguish the _Idea_ of slavery, but you would need to be sure that humanity would never again re-emerge from the ashes. People will always seek domain over others, as you are doing right now. Seeking domain for your ideology in the minds of those who do not share in it. Is that not a form of mental enslavement what you ask? ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-sfrim-call-to-aid-victims-of-illegal-human-trafficking-project-to-assist-former-slaves/88674/27 "2018-07-12T14:44:50Z")
> [@Makoto\_Priano](#): > > So, what it comes to is this: an Amarr organization, SFRIM, and Matari disagree on the ‘legal’ slavery thing. Nothing new there. Does this mean that SFRIM and the Matari shouldn’t both work diligently on the thing they agree on? And no, I’m not saying and have not once said that SFRIM can’t help these people - though I find it immensely suspect. But you really couldn’t find better spokespersons for freeing and helping slaves… Than people who condone and possibly practice “benevolent” slavery themselves? Really? That is, in part, what is being protested here. Would you argue in favour of Kuvakei if he offered help in this case? No? Well then. ---
**Author:** ![Makoto\_Priano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makoto_priano/32/383919_2.png) [@Makoto\_Priano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makoto_Priano)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 2:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-sfrim-call-to-aid-victims-of-illegal-human-trafficking-project-to-assist-former-slaves/88674/28 "2018-07-12T14:51:17Z")
Khaprice Heska, whose operation I personally plan to direct as much aid to as the accountants will allow, has [begun a bit of a publicity push in other arenas](https://twitter.com/KhapriceHeska/status/1017365093149966336?s=09). I believe she doesn’t tend to be active on the IGS for what I think are obvious reasons, and I didn’t want to put undue pressure on her to post in this particular venue. In the case of SFRIM, my understanding is that the Directrix and her pilots were going to issue a clarification on these matters given some obvious points of issue, and we decided to adjust the statement to make it a bit more representative of ARC as a whole. Unfortunately, given the fragmented nature of loyalist organizations in the Federation and Republic, ARC hasn’t been in a position to organize an institution-level association to represent ARC’s multinational approach to these matters. Interestingly, we’d been eyeing S-IBS as a potentially appropriate partner to represent the cosmopolitan nature of our associations, but, well, S-IBS has unfortunately since folded. However, we’re getting into the weeds on the nature of these deliberations. The important thing remains: helping however many we can. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 3:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-sfrim-call-to-aid-victims-of-illegal-human-trafficking-project-to-assist-former-slaves/88674/29 "2018-07-12T15:03:34Z")
> [@Makoto\_Priano](#): > > The important thing remains: helping however many we can. I sure hope so, so that none of these freed slaves will not find themselves in the involuntary service of SFRIM members in the future. Just saying. ---
**Author:** ![Makoto\_Priano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makoto_priano/32/383919_2.png) [@Makoto\_Priano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makoto_Priano)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 3:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-sfrim-call-to-aid-victims-of-illegal-human-trafficking-project-to-assist-former-slaves/88674/30 "2018-07-12T15:05:53Z")
Controlling individual pilots remains a monumental task, given the vagaries of CONCORD rules and the autonomy CONCORD affords individual pilots. I can make no promise on this, as much as I want to. Still, we’re making every effort to do this properly. I hope that putting forward the SOE and Aesir Arcology as desirable organizations for rehabilitation and repatriation demonstrates that. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 3:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-sfrim-call-to-aid-victims-of-illegal-human-trafficking-project-to-assist-former-slaves/88674/31 "2018-07-12T15:17:24Z")
> [@Aria\_Jenneth](#): > > A person says a thing and is doubted. That same person then acts to prove their sincerity. You expect that person not to draw the doubters’ attention to the fact that they’ve done so? I expect someone who is sure of who they are to not need others’ validation. ---
**Author:** ![Saya\_Ishikari](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saya_ishikari/32/462368_2.png) [@Saya\_Ishikari](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saya_Ishikari)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 3:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-sfrim-call-to-aid-victims-of-illegal-human-trafficking-project-to-assist-former-slaves/88674/32 "2018-07-12T15:53:59Z")
At the least, I feel compelled to wish ARC the best of luck in their endeavor. I hope you somehow find it rewarding, when all is said and done. Moitte ti anvatkaa. ---
**Author:** ![Mitara\_Newelle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mitara_newelle/32/384431_2.png) [@Mitara\_Newelle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mitara_Newelle)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 5:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-sfrim-call-to-aid-victims-of-illegal-human-trafficking-project-to-assist-former-slaves/88674/33 "2018-07-12T17:14:24Z")
As to be expected there are some that will never be satisfied… “But illegal slave trade is happening within the Empire and you turn a blind eye to it!” Now here we have definitive action to curb such activities and these same voices move the goal posts. I’m not surprised nor are many others in the Empire. We have our Mandate and it will be done one way or another. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-sfrim-call-to-aid-victims-of-illegal-human-trafficking-project-to-assist-former-slaves/88674/34 "2018-07-12T17:20:14Z")
Blow it out your nose, no goalposts have been moved, except your own maybe. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhara_del_thul/32/486150_2.png) [@Mizhara\_Del\_thul](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhara_Del_thul)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 5:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-sfrim-call-to-aid-victims-of-illegal-human-trafficking-project-to-assist-former-slaves/88674/35 "2018-07-12T17:54:51Z")
> [@Mitara\_Newelle](#): > > As to be expected there are some that will never be satisfied… > > “But illegal slave trade is happening within the Empire and you turn a blind eye to it!” Now now, my little harpy. You know as well as I do that the issue isn’t about ‘illegal slave trade happening’, but about _slave trade_ happening. However much you want to pretend it’s not entirely sanctioned, you are well aware of what _our_ grievance is. Honestly didn’t expect you of all people to join in on playing pretend. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 6:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-sfrim-call-to-aid-victims-of-illegal-human-trafficking-project-to-assist-former-slaves/88674/36 "2018-07-12T18:04:42Z")
> [@Mitara\_Newelle](#): > > We have our Mandate and it will be done one way or another. If only the rest of your hierarchy were as honest with their declarations of eternal war. ---
**Author:** ![Tyrel\_Toov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tyrel_toov/32/387953_2.png) [@Tyrel\_Toov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tyrel_Toov)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 8:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-sfrim-call-to-aid-victims-of-illegal-human-trafficking-project-to-assist-former-slaves/88674/37 "2018-07-12T20:36:47Z")
> [@Mitara\_Newelle](#): > > and these same voices move the goal posts. No goalpost were moved. The posts are firmly set at the complete liberation of our people and abolition of slavery in general. ---
**Author:** ![Mitara\_Newelle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mitara_newelle/32/384431_2.png) [@Mitara\_Newelle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mitara_Newelle)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-sfrim-call-to-aid-victims-of-illegal-human-trafficking-project-to-assist-former-slaves/88674/38 "2018-07-12T20:39:39Z")
I’m well aware that is _your_ grievance, as it is with many others, but it has also been thrown at us numerous times about how we are hypocrites because nothing is done about the illegal trading. That is the point I am addressing here. We both know full well the _other_ conversation will go nowhere. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 8:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-sfrim-call-to-aid-victims-of-illegal-human-trafficking-project-to-assist-former-slaves/88674/39 "2018-07-12T20:44:11Z")
So you’re basicly admitting that you’re just polishing your shields like we suspected. ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 8:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-sfrim-call-to-aid-victims-of-illegal-human-trafficking-project-to-assist-former-slaves/88674/40 "2018-07-12T20:47:12Z")
Thank you, ARC and SFRIM for your efforts on this matter. I will echo the sentiments of Mizhara and Tienyhr in that your support of the morally bankrupt system of slavery is immoral, however I won’t ignore more positive actions that show hope that _maybe_ more just actions will prevail with our foe. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-sfrim-call-to-aid-victims-of-illegal-human-trafficking-project-to-assist-former-slaves/88674.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-sfrim-call-to-aid-victims-of-illegal-human-trafficking-project-to-assist-former-slaves/88674.md?page=3)