# \[ARC\] Solicitation for Enclave Boarding Mission Parameters **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [May 1, 2018, 9:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-solicitation-for-enclave-boarding-mission-parameters/73733 "2018-05-01T21:51:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 5:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-solicitation-for-enclave-boarding-mission-parameters/73733/121 "2018-05-04T17:38:15Z")
And this is why I resent it so much when people say things like that Gallente ‘civilization’ crack that makes me agree with you and think maybe you have a clue. Cuz you so definitely don’t. You’re like, _anti_-clue. ---
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 5:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-solicitation-for-enclave-boarding-mission-parameters/73733/122 "2018-05-04T17:52:20Z")
It’s a solution to the problem of infomorphic contamination, or subversion of the ARC data network. One-way trip. Ofc, you need a suitable candidate, one who has the mental fortitude to accept that thousands of copies of themselves will be expended in an effort to gain humanity an edge over the Drifter menace. Probably some kind of zealot or fanatic to whom death is irrelevant. ---
**Author:** ![Pieter\_Tuulinen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pieter_tuulinen/32/155371_2.png) [@Pieter\_Tuulinen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pieter_Tuulinen)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 6:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-solicitation-for-enclave-boarding-mission-parameters/73733/123 "2018-05-04T18:02:17Z")
Active sensors can generally obtain at least a map of the physical spaces in a construct, so long as it isn’t actively shielded. I agree though - internal conditions are an unknown. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 7:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-solicitation-for-enclave-boarding-mission-parameters/73733/124 "2018-05-04T19:29:37Z")
Obviously, it’s a one-way trip. That’s exactly what Pieter was talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 8:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-solicitation-for-enclave-boarding-mission-parameters/73733/125 "2018-05-04T20:46:58Z")
Then why is everyone going on about infomorph contamination of the clone shock troopers, and the ‘ethical’ questions involved ? ---
**Author:** ![KnightGuard\_Fury](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knightguard_fury/32/384023_2.png) [@KnightGuard\_Fury](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/KnightGuard_Fury)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-solicitation-for-enclave-boarding-mission-parameters/73733/126 "2018-05-04T21:16:28Z")
Actually we dont technically have an “alpha state”. Although capsuleers have been updated recently to acquire such means. The empires most likely haven’t updated ours in quite a while considering they “shut us down”. Although we still have groups that support our cloning, but that’s a different matter. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-solicitation-for-enclave-boarding-mission-parameters/73733/127 "2018-05-04T21:20:54Z")
I’d meant conversion to alpha capsuleer state. Plenty of templars have made the transition, it seems the logical means of preserving the accumulated expertise. ---
**Author:** ![KnightGuard\_Fury](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knightguard_fury/32/384023_2.png) [@KnightGuard\_Fury](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/KnightGuard_Fury)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 9:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-solicitation-for-enclave-boarding-mission-parameters/73733/128 "2018-05-04T21:42:53Z")
Well that’s entirely up to the warclone if they want to do that or not. ---
**Author:** ![Lasairiona\_Raske](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lasairiona_raske/32/467893_2.png) [@Lasairiona\_Raske](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lasairiona_Raske)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 10:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-solicitation-for-enclave-boarding-mission-parameters/73733/129 "2018-05-04T22:01:35Z")
@Templar_Thal_Vadam did. ---
**Author:** ![Galm\_Eskola-Fae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galm_eskola-fae/32/511580_2.png) [@Galm\_Eskola-Fae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galm_Eskola-Fae)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2018, 11:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-solicitation-for-enclave-boarding-mission-parameters/73733/130 "2018-05-04T23:14:05Z")
Point of fact, this is a tricky conversation. I’ve looked into the matter extensively on my part and I can say, yes, it is possible to transfer clone states from alpha clone to warclone and vice versa. However neither of the implants were designed to function in this method, so the process is fairly arduous and poses a myriad of legal and philosophical questions. As our conscious and most of what makes us unique infomorphs is stored and transmitted by our implant into a relatively barebones brain instead if being burnt in our synapses, converting our consciousness into a burnable state requires temporarily ending the consciousness of the warclone, converting the data into a state that can be used by a TEBS to make a burn scan, and then uploading into an alpha clone. As you can imagine while doing this once or twice is within the realm of possibility, doing it repeatedly can cause long term damage. Think of it as taking an audio file, converting it to a web document, compressing the file, sending it through a galnet mail, unzipping it, then converting the file back into an audio file. Along the way, you run the chance of either losing a bit of data or having something break. Even once the conversion is done, CONCORD has outright gone on record and stated that due to the way these seperate types of clones store information in their minds it leads to a marked difference in demeanor and personality so that a warclone and an alpha clone of an individual could _legally be considered two seperate entities._ Now naturally this would be a clear violation of the one mind, one body rule so if CONCORD caught wind of the fact you were existing in both an alpha state and a warclone state at the same time you should expect a visit from the DED, but for the purpose of infomorph registration they legally file your warclone persona and your alpha state persona as distinctly different from each other. Bottom line, I recognize that many of us have made the conversion to alpha state but I don’t think most people understand how difficult the process actually is both from a legal and practical standpoint. (((I know this seems like I am pulling a lot of this out of nowhere, but this is all from a really cool little section in EVE Source in the DUST 514 section. If you haven’t already, I highly recommend you check it out.))) ---
**Author:** ![Woodrow\_Ormand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/woodrow_ormand/32/515084_2.png) [@Woodrow\_Ormand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Woodrow_Ormand)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2018, 2:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-solicitation-for-enclave-boarding-mission-parameters/73733/131 "2018-05-05T02:49:39Z")
If you were interested in what we learned from the valkyrie pilots that were recovered you would be aware that fatal, the leader of the guristas, is afraid of having his mind stolen by drifters the next time he dies. ---
**Author:** ![Avio\_Yaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avio_yaken/32/494184_2.png) [@Avio\_Yaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avio_Yaken)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2018, 3:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-solicitation-for-enclave-boarding-mission-parameters/73733/132 "2018-05-05T03:05:26Z")
> [@Woodrow\_Ormand](#): > > you would be aware that fatal, the leader of the guristas, is afraid of having his mind stolen by drifters the next time he dies. Didn’t he die fourteen years ago? That or…fell of the face of the cluster? How would you or these Valkyrie know about this? The man is a ghost! Long before this Drifter filth showed up ---
**Author:** ![Makoto\_Priano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makoto_priano/32/383919_2.png) [@Makoto\_Priano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makoto_Priano)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2018, 3:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-solicitation-for-enclave-boarding-mission-parameters/73733/133 "2018-05-05T03:22:30Z")
Undue paranoia, I’d say. We have only one suspected instance of an infomorph being ‘kidnapped,’ in the case of Hilen Tukoss, and he died as a result of Drifter fire without any friendly support. Considering that we plan to clear the zone of Drifters and Sleepers before so much as deploying a CRU, and that operation duration is expressly planned around the time before additional Drifter reinforcements arive, I’m not overly concerned. Of course, if there is a evidence of attempted neuromemetic intrusion, we can trigger kill switches or revert to backup. This will be discussed in detail with any personnel who are recruited for the effort. Please understand that the original expeditionary force, subsequently the Consortium, subsequently the Arataka Research Consortium, has been operating against Drifter Hives for nearly three years now. We’ve never once faced an instance of infomorph intrusion, kidnapping, or any sort of concerted assassination attempt. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2018, 3:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-solicitation-for-enclave-boarding-mission-parameters/73733/134 "2018-05-05T03:31:55Z")
I’m gonna go ahead and suggest that while it _may_ just be undue paranoia, when it comes to ‘how much does the guy who managed to send Valkyries into j-space on a _Wyvern_ know about the Drifters’ technical capabilities?’… Fatal _might_ actually know more than the rest of us. Clearly, he knows how to get a supercarrier into Anoikis, after all. ---
**Author:** ![Makoto\_Priano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makoto_priano/32/383919_2.png) [@Makoto\_Priano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makoto_Priano)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2018, 3:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-solicitation-for-enclave-boarding-mission-parameters/73733/135 "2018-05-05T03:37:11Z")
Hm. Fair point on that. Still, we haven’t seen a single instance of Drifter mind-napping since the Tukoss debacle, and we’ve had over three years since that. If it _is_ within their capability, it’s not something they seem to trot out at a whim, and this is despite losing, what-- thousands of ships since then? Tens of thousands? Winds only know how many Arithmos have been lost in that time, or how many Hikanta, or… ---
**Author:** ![Vlad\_Cetes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vlad_cetes/32/391891_2.png) [@Vlad\_Cetes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vlad_Cetes)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2018, 3:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-solicitation-for-enclave-boarding-mission-parameters/73733/136 "2018-05-05T03:39:56Z")
Question: How well would a mining barge fare in such an environment? Most likely Procurer or Skiff. A barge possesses the cutting laser that could be used to bore an opening, and should be able to retrofit a magnetic clamp to keep it on the opening. Or at least close enough to jet a team over. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2018, 3:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-solicitation-for-enclave-boarding-mission-parameters/73733/137 "2018-05-05T03:48:39Z")
Use a Mercoxit crystal to prevent sudden explosions! (Kidding) ---
**Author:** ![Woodrow\_Ormand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/woodrow_ormand/32/515084_2.png) [@Woodrow\_Ormand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Woodrow_Ormand)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2018, 4:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-solicitation-for-enclave-boarding-mission-parameters/73733/138 "2018-05-05T04:08:33Z")
You don’t remember the message from the quartermaster do you? He mentioned fatal by name ---
**Author:** ![Mahazkei\_Vas\_Hiigara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mahazkei_vas_hiigara/32/374597_2.png) [@Mahazkei\_Vas\_Hiigara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mahazkei_Vas_Hiigara)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2018, 4:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-solicitation-for-enclave-boarding-mission-parameters/73733/139 "2018-05-05T04:17:04Z")
An excellent, if unorthodox, plan. You would make for a great Bolo commander with ingenuity like that. ---
**Author:** ![Lauralite\_Anne\_Brezia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lauralite_anne_brezia/32/380065_2.png) [@Lauralite\_Anne\_Brezia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lauralite_Anne_Brezia)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2018, 4:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-solicitation-for-enclave-boarding-mission-parameters/73733/140 "2018-05-05T04:24:31Z")
I do believe that Mr. Ormand has a bit of a point here. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-solicitation-for-enclave-boarding-mission-parameters/73733.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-solicitation-for-enclave-boarding-mission-parameters/73733.md?page=8)