# \[ARC\] Triglavian Situation Unfolding - Empire Forces Under Attack **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [May 26, 2020, 11:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130 "2020-05-26T11:56:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Umbre\_Fallenstar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/umbre_fallenstar/32/260859_2.png) [@Umbre\_Fallenstar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Umbre_Fallenstar)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 10:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130/102 "2020-06-02T22:04:59Z")
freely? no, and it’s not a guess. so are they limited ? yes are they limited from the “same space we are” ? possibly not, depending of what do you consider “our space” Anoikis, for instance, is another cluster altogether from the one of new eden. we always get back to the basics: nothing is lost, nothing is created. Wherever the collective come from, they need “fuel” to get from point A to point B. As far as science is concerned, nothing lead us to the possibility of a physic mechanic implying transportation of complex entities on long distances. that said, I’ll never be cautious enough: don’t take my words for the truth. it’s only hypothesis, yes, so far they hold the facts, but that the thing with scientific hypothesis you only need one thing not fitting, and your hypothesis must be reworked. EDIT:: > [@Niriam\_DoT](#): > > can you make an informed guess on the topic of the Collective transportation methods? we don’t have to “guess”, we already know the answer, it was the Chief of Deep Space Research of CONCORD, Professor Michel Mayor, to first [report to the inner circle some anomalies](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_gA1i_ZeWA) > _Late last year, Professor Mayor of CONCORD’s Project Discovery reported a series of unusual energy spikes to CONCORD’s Inner Circle.Follow up work mapped these energy spikes to POCKETS of space-time, similar to the spatial anomalies we call ‘Deadspace’, though these are more isolated and require special technology to access._ > _These hidden pockets have been code named 'Abyssal Deadspace‘._ > _As you know, a vessel of unknown origin and design was recently recovered by CONCORD forces. After transfer of this asset to the DED station in Yulai, CONCORD discovered a novel technology that allows entry to Abyssal Deadspace. Using this technology, we have successfully managed to send a solitary cruiser into the Abyss - to explore this new unknown._ and everything after that seemed to validate this hypothesis: the collective come from new eden’s cluster. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 10:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130/103 "2020-06-02T22:11:39Z")
> [@Umbre\_Fallenstar](#): > > well, they are the one controlling the star gates and given the large efforts taken by the joves to ensure the autonomy of CONCORD, as well as the ability of concord to transports vast amount of resources across it’s border. It’s a safe bet in my opinion. Don’t forget CONCORD’s cynosural fishing technology that they use to pull supercapitals to Yulai for summary mob justice every so often. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_Paradisi\_Anteovnuecci](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_paradisi_anteovnuecci/32/388691_2.png) [@Uriel\_Paradisi\_Anteovnuecci](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_Paradisi_Anteovnuecci)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 10:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130/104 "2020-06-02T22:23:29Z")
It’s been my understanding that Triglavian ship singularities are Zero-point-field-contained Isogen Criticalities, which are both contained and allowed to expand through the use of rods that seem to heavily resemble Yan Jung Thunder Kites @Aria_Jenneth - while the Triglav are harvesting from stars, in all likelihood pilfering isogen-5, it doesn’t seem like their ship and structure power sources necessarily need to _come_ from them. We have, in fact, observed the coalescing of these singularities before in the Xordazh Construction Sites: [https://giant.gfycat.com/LankyAmusedCalf.webm](https://giant.gfycat.com/LankyAmusedCalf.webm) [https://giant.gfycat.com/AggressiveDependableBluetickcoonhound.webm](https://giant.gfycat.com/AggressiveDependableBluetickcoonhound.webm) [https://giant.gfycat.com/NimbleUnsightlyBrahmancow.webm](https://giant.gfycat.com/NimbleUnsightlyBrahmancow.webm) ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 10:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130/105 "2020-06-02T22:26:07Z")
Hm. That’s true. Although those take … longer than it’s possible to observe … to form. Granted, that’s for something quite large. The transmuter seems to be cranking them out at a rate of 2 singularities every 66 seconds, and that’s before it’s apparently active at full capacity. ---
**Author:** ![Umbre\_Fallenstar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/umbre_fallenstar/32/260859_2.png) [@Umbre\_Fallenstar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Umbre_Fallenstar)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 10:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130/106 "2020-06-02T22:27:20Z")
would it be possible to have a galnet video of those singularities formations? I’m actually locked on planet side and can’t get there myself. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 10:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130/107 "2020-06-02T22:30:15Z")
I’m no longer on site, sir, and what I got is the still-image series I posted earlier. I might be able to get a proper holo later, but it might be faster if someone else gets it. ---
**Author:** ![Umbre\_Fallenstar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/umbre_fallenstar/32/260859_2.png) [@Umbre\_Fallenstar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Umbre_Fallenstar)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 10:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130/108 "2020-06-02T22:30:51Z")
thanks for your efforts ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 10:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130/109 "2020-06-02T22:33:12Z")
Of course, sir. The 66-second timeframe is a measurement @Sinikka_Hakatain took earlier. She may still be observing. ---
**Author:** ![Morgana\_Tsukiyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/morgana_tsukiyo/32/385507_2.png) [@Morgana\_Tsukiyo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Morgana_Tsukiyo)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 11:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130/110 "2020-06-02T23:16:16Z")
One every 33 seconds? Ha. ---
**Author:** ![red\_revenge](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/red_revenge/32/376975_2.png) [@red\_revenge](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/red_revenge)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 12:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130/111 "2020-06-03T00:04:14Z")
[![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/a/8/a8c9fd24c202482c14241dcb37a8ddf02b3f5d91.jpeg "Eve Online - Raravoss - Dazh Porevitium Transmuter") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Caec4A806kA) [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/8/4898102f9c87c03884c99a36c3eb48308b805141.jpeg "Eve Online - Raravoss - Pulsating Star") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ompM2uS24J0) ---
**Author:** ![Annisir\_Kaugan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annisir_kaugan/32/388372_2.png) [@Annisir\_Kaugan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annisir_Kaugan)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 3:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130/112 "2020-06-03T03:12:55Z")
Checks so far are showing no wormholes in Raravoss. ---
**Author:** ![Lilly\_Terranova](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lilly_terranova/32/209165_2.png) [@Lilly\_Terranova](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lilly_Terranova)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 5:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130/113 "2020-06-03T05:27:09Z")
As Raravoss has fallen, and its security status been restored to 0.6, I have been able to provide the following image of the harvested singularities (assuming that these are indeed being harvested) from Raravoss’s star with a frigate (foreground) for scale. These are, perhaps, somewhat larger than many initial estimates that put them closer to the size of those used in cruisers. ![Singularity scale](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/d/8/d8ad357c8557f1392448713b7451c38d82a5de13.png) ---
**Author:** ![Umbre\_Fallenstar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/umbre_fallenstar/32/260859_2.png) [@Umbre\_Fallenstar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Umbre_Fallenstar)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 8:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130/114 "2020-06-03T08:25:20Z")
A huge thanks for your time and videos ! ---
**Author:** ![Umbre\_Fallenstar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/umbre_fallenstar/32/260859_2.png) [@Umbre\_Fallenstar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Umbre_Fallenstar)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 10:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130/115 "2020-06-03T10:02:38Z")
I can only make hypothesis and observations that would need to be tested/verified: Also note that some of the things written are “obvious” but I like to write down everything to not “pass over”. Looking only at the details is the best way to miss the bigger picture. It happened to me on more than one occasion. I would add that some of the propositions were made earlier on this thread by other capsuleers such as @Aria_Jenneth, @Lilly_Terranova, ARC’s members and many others that I am forgetting (I’m better at math than names) I DO NOT take credit for their work, merely compiling it here, if you see something wrong/missing, do let me know ! 1. On the structure (w/o lattice) | Observations | Hypothesis/Questions | Proposed Test | | --- | --- | --- | | Docking seem possible | on a general note: what do aura have to say about this structure? and the others in the system ? | N/A | | --- | --- | --- | | the singularities look like to be forming, not consumed. | A) they are formed by the containment of the harvested energy of the sun B)they are a byproduct of what is happening C) they are indeed fuel, we just don't understand what we DO see (after all in the feeds shared by we do not see the whole process.) at the end of the "harvesting" cycle, what do we actually see ? crystallization? transportation? storage? | Testing the structure with all known detection methods (ship/cargo/survey scanners, data/relic analyser, entosis link) as well as ECM effects. Indirect observations could tech some things. | | --- | --- | --- | | the structure seem to be able to have 3 slot for singularities, 3 "ventilation" point | a fairly obvious conclusion is to assume the structure isn't at full capabilities, but what do they lack? the lattice? ressources? change in the Mass Energy Ratio (MER) of the system ? | N/A | | --- | --- | --- | | the beam seem to be very unstable at first then go through 2 "stabilizer" then after the lattice seem to be wider. | A) the lattice is responsible for the "widening" of the beam B) the beam, outside the stabilizers, control, is naturally this wide. | N/A | | --- | --- | --- | 1. On the Lattice & environment | Observations | Hypothesis | Proposed Test | | --- | --- | --- | | the collective symbol is only visible on 2 of the 5 completed panels | past patterns make a third symbole awaited on the 6th panel | check if the symbol is on the other side of the panels | | --- | --- | --- | | A "pulse" is visible by intermittence in the system, often associated with a "glow" on the lattice | A) the lattice produce the pulse (acting as an emitter) B) the lattice "harvest" the pulse | Remark: could it be a visual indication of the change of mass energy ratio (MER) ? taht would explain why the "sky" seem more opaque. | | --- | --- | --- | | "clouds" are visibly getting away of the star | they are actually the plasma of the solar winds made visible with the lowering of the mass-energy ratio (MER) | use zephyr in system to see if speed is affected. Likely not since the gravitational waves should not be altered by the change of MER but worth a try. | | --- | --- | --- | | TC is harvesting tritanium | Given past pattern and the fact tritanium is the basis for most of our constructions, it is possible this is used to do massive tests on the compatibility of mutaplasmids and nanopaste. | scanning the structures with all known sensors to try to get more informations. | | --- | --- | --- | Is there any footage of the sun from afar prior to the invasion ? I’m interested to see the variation in perceived color. Also: what do aura say about the star? is any information have changed ? thanks for reading and sorry for the wall of text. Do let me know if I missed something. Science need sharing and debates to be valid. We all are in this together. ---
**Author:** ![Haria\_Haritimado](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haria_haritimado/32/172465_2.png) [@Haria\_Haritimado](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haria_Haritimado)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 10:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130/116 "2020-06-03T10:37:52Z")
Dr. Fallenstar Thank you very much for your efforts to structure thoughts and observations. I provide you the mid-range still of the Raravoss star from 3 million kilometers in the very early stage of the invasion. ![grafik](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/1/c/1cd96f63a3ad497edc73533f5a33d4f6b7793e85.jpeg) If you compare it with the [sun reference sheet](https://www.arataka.org/files/Sun_Type_Gallery_full_information.jpg) you can evaluate differences. However, the brighter corona at 3 million kilometers is explained by the usual behavior of the light filters, which causes footage of suns to actually darken with the decrease of distance. Hence I see the picture above as the natural sun state in Raravoss, prior to any transmutation. ---
**Author:** ![red\_revenge](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/red_revenge/32/376975_2.png) [@red\_revenge](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/red_revenge)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130/117 "2020-06-03T11:07:41Z")
Test run with Damavik and Astero on 2nd structure before DT: Cargo, Ship, Survey scanner - No result Relic/Data scanner - No result Small NOS - No result ECM Jammer - Able to jam no other result Small Neut - 50GJ extracted - The symbols are only visible on one side of the structure. - Flying into the path of the beam had no result. Was able to get some close up pictures and video’s. Will upload after I see whats going on when servers are back. Update: Raravoss turned into -0.1 sec after DT No 3th singularity noted 2nd structure is gone (probably bug before and fixed with patch) [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/d/1/d16bfd4f4f78aa9c48bd85c18db8b6ea30c68a9e.jpeg "Eve Online - Close up on Singularity forming") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQbk_KbBpBc) Juvenile assessment: It’s sperm swimming to an egg ![2020.06.03.10.55.34 - Copy](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/6/3/632abfa0ce985a02e5c3381f2cac75cefa659a74.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Umbre\_Fallenstar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/umbre_fallenstar/32/260859_2.png) [@Umbre\_Fallenstar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Umbre_Fallenstar)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130/118 "2020-06-03T14:03:11Z")
a huge thanks for your time and efforts. The “transportation” of the anomalies is hard to identify. did you tried the entosis link? if they are indeed a infomorphic civilisation, there could be some data to dig there. ---
**Author:** ![red\_revenge](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/red_revenge/32/376975_2.png) [@red\_revenge](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/red_revenge)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130/119 "2020-06-03T16:04:23Z")
Haven’t tried the entosis yet. Will test this next. This is the front of the structure. ![2020.06.03.10.40.58](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/9/4/942f002fa7269c86b0711f9a543df0f25429f979.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 4:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130/120 "2020-06-03T16:14:01Z")
> [@red\_revenge](#): > > Juvenile assessment: It’s sperm swimming to an egg IGS, never change. Thanks for the experiments & reporting. ---
**Author:** ![red\_revenge](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/red_revenge/32/376975_2.png) [@red\_revenge](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/red_revenge)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2020, 1:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130/121 "2020-06-04T01:00:05Z")
Update: Test was done with Astero as small gang pvp was going on at the transmuter and multiple warp ins happened. Was fun to watch though. - Entosis link is **not compatible** on both the Transmuter and the Nexus mining structure. - Zephyr doesn’t get a speed boost compared to other systems. - Ship scanner did give me a read out on the Nexus for power at 20k GJ. So maybe with a fleet you could drain the structure to some level. - Other scanners and jammers gave me the same outcome on the Nexus as in my last post about the transmuter. - Asked in the Trig group channel if anyone with a status of above 1.0 with the trigs was able to dock or got the option to dock with the transmuter but got no response ☹ - Did a quick jump to Vale and took a few screenshots from the info of the sun and the whole system before it gets flipped. Will visit it again once it’s flipped to see if anything has changed. Can’t stay in Gallente space so I can’t take my time on that system. - Strange phenomena with a second beam appearing in the sky. If there is anything else you want me to test please let me know and I’ll see what I can do. Screenshot of the Super-Nexus read out with ship scanner: ![Super-Nexus Scan](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/3/3/33e1272899c892adc7531e9440924be25ec584b0.png) Damavik flying into the beam of the transmuter. Got a look inside of the “gun” but noticed nothing special. Can provide a screenshot of that if wanted. ![2020.06.03.10.48.29](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/8/a/8ac36d2bccddeb74ab821906b552b671026789a9.jpeg) [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130.md?page=7)