# \[ARC\] Triglavian Situation Unfolding - Empire Forces Under Attack **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [May 26, 2020, 11:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130 "2020-05-26T11:56:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 4:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130/162 "2020-06-16T16:11:04Z")
> [@Morgana\_Tsukiyo](#): > > I do not like to engage in intellectual dishonesty Then maybe you should delete the majority of your posts. If you’re going to hinge it on Arsia’s conclusions, then you need to keep in mind the ‘combined with the inability to get supplies to the planets’. Or do you think those worlds are going to miraculously achieve all that you’re saying _without_ outside assistance? > [@Morgana\_Tsukiyo](#): > > I am not talking about keeping the biosphere as it were. Energy input changed, the rest of the equation will change. I am talking about ways of preserving the life at the planets in ways that are _currently_ available to us, without resorting to future tech that would help. It’s not about keeping the biosphere ‘as it was’, it’s about keeping it _viable_. At all. You don’t keep a _biosphere_ viable by focusing on a dozen or so species we find handy to keep alive (including us) and ‘just’ winnowing those down to 0.1% of their former population numbers or less. > [@Morgana\_Tsukiyo](#): > > I find dishonest that you to bring Jovian level of genetic manipulation for a discussion about gardening and food production, stuff we handle _daily_ , and within genetic parameters. No. No, we do not do anything _close_ to the genetic manipulation that would be needed to make food crops that grow in the climates that the darkening of the stars will certainly cause. Achieving that through genetic engineering—which **you** brought into this—would require levels of genetic manipulation orders of magnitude _beyond_ Jovian capabilities. > [@Morgana\_Tsukiyo](#): > > I do not like to engage in intellectual dishonesty Then you should shut up, because you’ve offered nothing _but_ intellectual dishonesty in this matter. ---
**Author:** ![Morgana\_Tsukiyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/morgana_tsukiyo/32/385507_2.png) [@Morgana\_Tsukiyo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Morgana_Tsukiyo)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 4:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130/163 "2020-06-16T16:13:19Z")
Thank you for your input, i will take it into consideration. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130/164 "2020-06-16T16:16:27Z")
Just a reminder to everyone involved: Ms. Tsukiyo’s perspective on the universe kind of boils down to “it’s all good,” so she’s likely taking the angle in argument she is without really feeling like she needs a justification to back what she considers the more interesting side. Arguing from that side’s perspective, defending it from all angles no matter what and attacking its enemies, is probably just fun and a good intellectual workout. Of course, she also wouldn’t see any problem with cheating and bad faith. We’re all dust in the long run, so why not? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130/165 "2020-06-16T16:16:31Z")
> [@Morgana\_Tsukiyo](#): > > Thank you for your input, i will take it into consideration. More dishonesty. ---
**Author:** ![Morgana\_Tsukiyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/morgana_tsukiyo/32/385507_2.png) [@Morgana\_Tsukiyo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Morgana_Tsukiyo)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130/166 "2020-06-16T16:28:53Z")
What the hell woman, i do not know about you but i like some time to ponder and digest different perspectives and let the boat find its balance after something shook it. React as you want of course, but as i said to Aria, if you are going to put stuff inside me or my mouth, i would prefer for ir to be pleasurable. Just because i do think it is all good in the long run does not mean i do not appreciate some of my peers or take their words into consideration (flesh has all this fuzzy biochemical feedback), and i did hope for arguments from you to be above the basic one at the other topics “Transhuman bad babychild lusting for power” “Screw CONCORD bad people, i want pawa”, but deconstruction is as interesting as constuction of course. Oh well, again, thank you for your input, i will, within my subjective time, take it into consideration. 😢 ---
**Author:** ![Nauplius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nauplius/32/403015_2.png) [@Nauplius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nauplius)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130/167 "2020-06-16T17:02:05Z")
Everyone stop picking on poor Morgana. ---
**Author:** ![Morgana\_Tsukiyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/morgana_tsukiyo/32/385507_2.png) [@Morgana\_Tsukiyo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Morgana_Tsukiyo)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 5:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130/168 "2020-06-16T17:10:49Z")
What the hell man? The expectations i place upon others and frustrations from it are mine to handle, i am not “poor” because of them. And i do not feel picked upon, ideas may be crushed and bashed until they can not resist, sometimes even people. While i appreciate your eagerness, i am a big girl and can perfectly take care of myself. If i miscalculate, there is always a new clone available (Hi Sansha me wherever you are) and redundant infomorph backups. 😘 ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 6:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130/169 "2020-06-16T18:09:32Z")
> [@Morgana\_Tsukiyo](#): > > What the hell woman, i do not know about you but i like some time to ponder and digest different perspectives and let the boat find its balance after something shook it. It’s simple, really: having observed your behavior, I do not believe you really take _anything_ other people say into consideration. ---
**Author:** ![Morgana\_Tsukiyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/morgana_tsukiyo/32/385507_2.png) [@Morgana\_Tsukiyo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Morgana_Tsukiyo)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 6:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130/170 "2020-06-16T18:20:09Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > It’s simple, really: having observed your behavior, I do not believe you really take _anything_ other people say into consideration. I do that quite a lot… yet people are always surprised. But for the sake of the thopic, let us remain with the reports and hipotesis on the cluster situation at hand. ---
**Author:** ![Annisir\_Kaugan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annisir_kaugan/32/388372_2.png) [@Annisir\_Kaugan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annisir_Kaugan)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130/171 "2020-06-17T19:10:53Z")
You don’t kill that which you intend to farm. ---
**Author:** ![Valiran\_Teleros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valiran_teleros/32/504787_2.png) [@Valiran\_Teleros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valiran_Teleros)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 11:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130/172 "2020-06-17T23:13:11Z")
> [@Aria\_Jenneth](#): > > Well … we can see the singularity cores being shipped out by small wormholes. What if the formation of just such a wormhole is the last phase of bringing a Damavik, Vedmak, or whatever, online? What if what we’re actually doing when we online a Triglavian ship is _calling_ an existing singularity? And what if the reason Triglavian ships don’t go up even more spectacularly than they do when destroyed is because when containment fails, the singularity promptly gets called away? That would certainly explain why Triglavian ships could be classified as T1/T2 like the vessels native to New Eden instead of T5+ monstrosities you’d expect to be powered by a singularity, black hole or otherwise. > [@Arrendis](#): > > Don’t forget CONCORD’s cynosural fishing technology that they use to pull supercapitals to Yulai for summary mob justice every so often. It makes me wonder just how much Jove tech CONCORD has access to; anyone remember [that deep space stasis web experiment that ended up webbing most of the cluster](https://www.eveonline.com/article/stasis-web-1)? If the Triglavians are offshoots of the Second Jove Empire, as Uriel has proposed, I shudder to imagine just what kind of arcane and destructive technology they might possess that we haven’t seen. > [@Uriel\_Paradisi\_Anteovnuecci](#): > > It’s been my understanding that Triglavian ship singularities are Zero-point-field-contained Isogen Criticalities, which are both contained and allowed to expand through the use of rods that seem to heavily resemble Yan Jung Thunder Kites I’ve never seen a Thunder Kite for myself. Could you post an image of one? > **OOC** > > Is the description of a Thunder Kite your idea, or did you find it in some obscure piece of material that I just haven’t seen? > [@Annisir\_Kaugan](#): > > You don’t kill that which you intend to farm. Then the Triglavians had better set up some kind of photon emitter that can imitate a sun’s effects on the planets in systems they conquer because otherwise everyone living there is ■■■■■■. I’ve been to Vale before. The planets are lovely, and the inhabitants were kind-hearted and cheerful while I stayed there. None of them deserve to die for the Collective’s conquest efforts any more than the people in Sakenta and Raravoss do. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 11:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130/173 "2020-06-17T23:20:40Z")
> [@Annisir\_Kaugan](#): > > You don’t kill that which you intend to farm. Of course you do. That’s _how_ you farm it. Wheat? You kill it. Rice? Rip it up. Pigs? Slaughter 'em. You just make sure you keep a breeding stock. But you definitely kill the vast majority of it. The only exceptions are like, fruits, nuts, and berries. ---
**Author:** ![Morgana\_Tsukiyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/morgana_tsukiyo/32/385507_2.png) [@Morgana\_Tsukiyo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Morgana_Tsukiyo)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 11:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130/174 "2020-06-17T23:37:04Z")
> [@Annisir\_Kaugan](#): > > You don’t kill that which you intend to farm. Some would say that our cluster is a major crop, that its residents get their labour extracted away to please the big market god, instead of living a fuffiling abundant life. How and to whom one gives their life away seems to be important for the collective pathos, hence our current predicament. ---
**Author:** ![Valiran\_Teleros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valiran_teleros/32/504787_2.png) [@Valiran\_Teleros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valiran_Teleros)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 12:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130/175 "2020-06-18T00:04:49Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > The only exceptions are like, fruits, nuts, and berries. That analogy applies to biospheres as well; you can’t harvest anything from it if it collapses. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 12:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130/176 "2020-06-18T00:06:56Z")
We have no evidence they want any kind of sustainable harvest. ---
**Author:** ![Valiran\_Teleros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valiran_teleros/32/504787_2.png) [@Valiran\_Teleros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valiran_Teleros)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 12:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130/177 "2020-06-18T00:07:40Z")
A fair point. ---
**Author:** ![Vasily\_Degtyaryov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vasily_degtyaryov/32/176203_2.png) [@Vasily\_Degtyaryov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vasily_Degtyaryov)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 11:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130/178 "2020-06-18T23:04:05Z")
They are more analogous to locusts than farmers. ---
**Author:** ![Annisir\_Kaugan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annisir_kaugan/32/388372_2.png) [@Annisir\_Kaugan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annisir_Kaugan)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2020, 1:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130/179 "2020-06-19T01:32:32Z")
Especially if Abyysal space is the result of their activities. ---
**Author:** ![Valiran\_Teleros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valiran_teleros/32/504787_2.png) [@Valiran\_Teleros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valiran_Teleros)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2020, 6:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130/180 "2020-06-19T06:08:46Z")
Does anyone have information regarding the deployment of _Soltueur_ and _Omnya_-class titans being deployed in defense of Vale and Sakenta, respectively? I don’t expect anyone to have been on-grid with one - heaven knows, Capsuleers are unpredictable and creative enough that permitting a large group of them to get anywhere close to an Iapetan titan is just asking for trouble - but I would expect there to at least be **some** evidence of them being deployed in those systems. I would think that the possibility of habitable planets being rendered lifeless rocks like Mannar VIII would be dire enough for the Federation and State to deploy their most powerful vessels, unless they fear the Triglavians have some trick up their sleeves capable of rendering one helpless. ---
**Author:** ![Annisir\_Kaugan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annisir_kaugan/32/388372_2.png) [@Annisir\_Kaugan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annisir_Kaugan)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2020, 7:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130/181 "2020-06-19T07:23:02Z")
None at all, possibly due to concerns about escalating the current situation, the Triglavians responding in kind would be bad. Might also increase friction with other nations, but most likely they do not want to present capsuleers with such a juicy target. There are unconfirmed reports of AEGIS black ops teams being active in Raravoss, could be other systems too. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130.md?page=8) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-situation-unfolding-empire-forces-under-attack/244130.md?page=10)