# Are Diamond Rats Too Powerful? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 14, 2021, 12:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-diamond-rats-too-powerful/332497 "2021-10-14T12:33:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 12:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-diamond-rats-too-powerful/332497/21 "2021-10-15T12:59:09Z")
Players might/will bump the orca but that not an ECM issue. That works exactly the same indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 1:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-diamond-rats-too-powerful/332497/22 "2021-10-15T13:02:01Z")
> [@Von\_DeMoreno](#): > > Are diamond rats too powerful? They present a bigger challenge than normal rats, but are easily recognised and are not unstoppable. I say they’re fine. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 1:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-diamond-rats-too-powerful/332497/23 "2021-10-15T13:08:18Z")
see i disagree… i like having challenging NPC’s in hisec… i regularly hunt the autothysian lancers when i feel like it and take them down in a matter of minutes. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 2:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-diamond-rats-too-powerful/332497/24 "2021-10-15T14:14:59Z")
Not to be a jerk for the sake of it, but doesnt that mean they arent challenging? ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-diamond-rats-too-powerful/332497/25 "2021-10-15T14:46:19Z")
i’ve lost to the diamonds a time or two, but the lancers for me aren’t challenging, but then again if i see a tyranno, you can bet me and my raven are getting out of dodge lol ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 3:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-diamond-rats-too-powerful/332497/26 "2021-10-15T15:30:28Z")
> [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > you are being disingenuous. You know perfectly well the reasons for Highsec’s popularity. I have an idea on why that is, I doubt others will agree. > [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > But I was stopped short by your comment about immersion and its breaking by certain forms of content. What an interesting topic! Well, if you think about it, the whole implementation of that content is wrong. Just take a look at real life history, all invasions are done after a foothold is first established in secure locations to ensure their forces can be resupplied. But yeah you’re right, discussion of that topic per immersion is better suited for another thread. * * * > [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > Pirate FOB’s are great content for new players in hi-sec. When you say new players, just exactly how new because most new players have a problem defeating Dagan in the level 1 SOE Epic Arc. * * * > [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > see i disagree… i like having challenging NPC’s in hisec… Sure, you’re a Veteran player with plenty of skills and equipment to engage with that content. Now would you actively seek out and engage that content if those NPC’s were only located in Low Sec space? ---
**Author:** ![Chan\_aar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chan_aar/32/377560_2.png) [@Chan\_aar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chan_aar)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-diamond-rats-too-powerful/332497/27 "2021-10-15T15:38:08Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > You can use ECM drones against players as well to get them to stop targeting you. Just not ECM modules. > > The way ECM works is that it limits the target’s targets to the source of the ECM on a succesful jam Are you sure thats how NPC ECM works? I think that Caldari / Guristas npc’s that jam cause all your targets to drop, just like the old style ECM? (I could be wrong as I am mostly winning Eve at the moment) ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 3:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-diamond-rats-too-powerful/332497/28 "2021-10-15T15:50:56Z")
I remember the last mission in the Caldari level 4 Epic Arc use to have a major problem with constant NPC ECM making it very hard to complete. Eventually CCP changed it so that only the NPC doing the actual ewar could be targeted. Been quite a while since I’ve done the arcs so I don’t know how it is now. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 3:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-diamond-rats-too-powerful/332497/29 "2021-10-15T15:51:47Z")
they do cause all targets to drop, but you can retarget the one(s) that is(are) jamming you. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 3:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-diamond-rats-too-powerful/332497/30 "2021-10-15T15:57:19Z")
> [@Chan\_aar](#): > > Are you sure thats how NPC ECM works? Not sure how NPC ECM _on players_ works, but it does work as player (or drone) ECM _on NPCs_ as I described. I haven’t fought NPCs that use ECM to be able to tell you how that works. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 7:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-diamond-rats-too-powerful/332497/31 "2021-10-15T19:26:40Z")
> [@Chan\_aar](#): > > I think that Caldari / Guristas npc’s that jam cause all your targets to drop, just like the old style ECM? No, they act like how player ECM now works. If you had already targeted the one(s) that applied the ECM you will keep them targeted or if you hadn’t you can then still target them during the ECM cycle. ---
**Author:** ![Chan\_aar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chan_aar/32/377560_2.png) [@Chan\_aar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chan_aar)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2021, 10:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-diamond-rats-too-powerful/332497/32 "2021-10-16T22:29:31Z")
Thanks for the confirmation. ---
**Author:** ![Vernon\_Ui\_Neachtain](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vernon_ui_neachtain/32/270357_2.png) [@Vernon\_Ui\_Neachtain](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vernon_Ui_Neachtain)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 12:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-diamond-rats-too-powerful/332497/33 "2021-11-02T12:22:57Z")
> [@Von\_DeMoreno](#): > > Are diamond rats too powerful? Please state why you think they are or are not. Nope Reason. Farmed the Forward operating Bases on the regular for the minerals. Faster than mining. Way faster. ---
**Author:** ![Chan\_aar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chan_aar/32/377560_2.png) [@Chan\_aar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chan_aar)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 4:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-diamond-rats-too-powerful/332497/35 "2021-11-02T16:49:57Z")
Source please? ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-diamond-rats-too-powerful/332497/36 "2021-11-02T16:56:39Z")
Same troll making outlandish statements, on a different character. Just ignore. ---
**Author:** ![Chan\_aar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chan_aar/32/377560_2.png) [@Chan\_aar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chan_aar)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-diamond-rats-too-powerful/332497/37 "2021-11-02T17:45:17Z")
Thats what I thought I’ll add it to the list of them. I still like to poke them though, at least it lets other folk know that it is bullcrap. ---
**Author:** ![Rathon\_Altol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rathon_altol/32/505729_2.png) [@Rathon\_Altol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rathon_Altol)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2021, 8:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-diamond-rats-too-powerful/332497/38 "2021-12-28T20:59:13Z")
I would love to see what people are using to kill the diamond rats in null sec ---
**Author:** ![Jamico\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jamico_toralen/32/279606_2.png) [@Jamico\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jamico_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2021, 11:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-diamond-rats-too-powerful/332497/39 "2021-12-28T23:06:42Z")
That original iteration sounds like actually interesting and engaging gameplay. No wonder they didn’t add it. ---
**Author:** ![Peaceful\_Industrialist\_Miner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/peaceful_industrialist_miner/32/294138_2.png) [@Peaceful\_Industrialist\_Miner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Peaceful_Industrialist_Miner)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2021, 2:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-diamond-rats-too-powerful/332497/40 "2021-12-29T02:13:38Z")
> [@Jamico\_Toralen](#): > > That original iteration sounds like actually interesting and engaging gameplay. No wonder they didn’t add it.\ Too many players cried over it. original design was pretty good especially the increasing strength and having fleets of diamond rats chewing up belts and entering peoples missions if you did not clear the FOB. ---
**Author:** ![Goin\_Ben\_Solo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/goin_ben_solo/32/498104_2.png) [@Goin\_Ben\_Solo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Goin_Ben_Solo)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2022, 12:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-diamond-rats-too-powerful/332497/41 "2022-01-28T00:33:29Z")
My corp is in high sec, I’m a new player (less than 2 months). I had an encounter with diamond rats yesterday, they warp scrambled my Retriever and withing a minute, destroyed it. I was able to salvage the fit, and insurance helped. My issue is this, I’m a new player. Encountering such a powerful opponent does not leave a pleasant taste in my mouth. I could even see the possibility that new players would actually quit the game because of such difficulties so early in the game. The thought crossed my mind for a brief moment. I am old, and stubborn though. I am enjoying this challenging game too much to quit if because I lost a ship. Other new players may not have the stubborn streak that I have. In a game that has a waning player population, is it really a good idea to kill off new players? I think not. Ben [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-diamond-rats-too-powerful/332497.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-diamond-rats-too-powerful/332497.md?page=3)