# Are numbers up or down? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 6, 2021, 10:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-numbers-up-or-down/335623 "2021-11-06T22:45:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![L\_gonic\_D\_gingar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/l_gonic_d_gingar/32/394930_2.png) [@L\_gonic\_D\_gingar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/L_gonic_D_gingar)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2021, 10:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-numbers-up-or-down/335623/1 "2021-11-06T22:45:33Z")
Are (omega) player numbers up or down? Hoping mining returns to normal. I miss the old High Security before Scarcity and Triglavians. My 3 omega accounts been offline since January. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2021, 10:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-numbers-up-or-down/335623/2 "2021-11-06T22:50:48Z")
> [@L\_gonic\_D\_gingar](#): > > Are (omega) player numbers up or down? Yes. They are indeed up or down. Mr Epeen šŸ•¶ ---
**Author:** ![L\_gonic\_D\_gingar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/l_gonic_d_gingar/32/394930_2.png) [@L\_gonic\_D\_gingar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/L_gonic_D_gingar)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2021, 10:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-numbers-up-or-down/335623/3 "2021-11-06T22:51:31Z")
TY so hard to sift thru all the garbage. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2021, 10:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-numbers-up-or-down/335623/4 "2021-11-06T22:52:03Z")
Up or down compared to when? If compared to 2013 for example, they are down. If compared to 6 months ago, none of us here in the forum truly know. ---
**Author:** ![Aaaarrgg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaaarrgg/32/395089_2.png) [@Aaaarrgg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaaarrgg)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2021, 11:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-numbers-up-or-down/335623/5 "2021-11-06T23:08:40Z")
compared to 2003 they are up, mining hasnā€™t changed as far as i can tell. miners just leave mining ships afk in the belts as usual. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Offensive](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dr_offensive/32/401971_2.png) [@Dr\_Offensive](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dr_Offensive)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2021, 11:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-numbers-up-or-down/335623/6 "2021-11-06T23:19:09Z")
As far as I am aware When they were up they were up And when they were down they were down And when they were only half way up they were neither up nor down ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2021, 9:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-numbers-up-or-down/335623/7 "2021-11-07T09:12:07Z")
> [@L\_gonic\_D\_gingar](#): > > Are (omega) player numbers up or down? Only CCP knows for sureā€¦ And theyā€™re not saying anythingā€¦ As usualā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2021, 9:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-numbers-up-or-down/335623/8 "2021-11-07T09:15:36Z")
What matters is doubloon and crate sales. ---
**Author:** ![May\_Q\_Cry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/may_q_cry/32/370362_2.png) [@May\_Q\_Cry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/May_Q_Cry)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 1:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-numbers-up-or-down/335623/9 "2021-11-08T13:13:19Z")
Numbers fell drastically and have started to rebound just slightly, but are still at the lowest point they have been in years. The end of some of the scarcity measures already, combined with the decoupling of minerals from most shipbuilding just means the price of ore/minerals is falling and will continue to fall Rattati is also about to nerf mining ships, so I would wait and see how that all works out personally. ---
**Author:** ![Jin\_Endares](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jin_endares/32/413291_2.png) [@Jin\_Endares](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jin_Endares)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 1:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-numbers-up-or-down/335623/10 "2021-11-08T13:16:05Z")
> [@L\_gonic\_D\_gingar](#): > > Are (omega) player numbers up or down? As an infamous ancient Earth President once said ā€œIt depends how you define ā€˜didā€™.ā€ You mean number of currently paid Omega accounts? Overall Omega accounts, whether paid up or reverted back to Alpha for non-payment? Do you mean Omega accounts that have logged in over the last 30 days at least? etc etc ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-numbers-up-or-down/335623/11 "2021-11-08T13:58:51Z")
> [@Jin\_Endares](#): > > Earth President There has never been a President of Earth ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 1:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-numbers-up-or-down/335623/12 "2021-11-08T13:59:52Z")
> [@L\_gonic\_D\_gingar](#): > > Are (omega) player numbers up or down? ā€¦ Yes ---
**Author:** ![Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duella_cre_vil/32/297348_2.png) [@Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duella_Cre_Vil)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 2:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-numbers-up-or-down/335623/13 "2021-11-08T14:09:56Z")
Was waiting for someone to put that XD ---
**Author:** ![Jin\_Endares](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jin_endares/32/413291_2.png) [@Jin\_Endares](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jin_Endares)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-numbers-up-or-down/335623/14 "2021-11-08T14:17:33Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > There has never been a President of Earth A President _ **from** _ ancient Earth. ![Grammar_police](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/c/a/dca80418110a8d93bbf562477c8f494d3b5db229.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-numbers-up-or-down/335623/15 "2021-11-08T17:35:02Z")
Ah so you mean a Terran President. ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 6:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-numbers-up-or-down/335623/16 "2021-11-08T18:06:55Z")
Said an earth president, not a president of earth. As such any president from earth would be an earth president. Thatā€™s like if someone said an American butcher and you corrected by saying there has never been a butcher of America ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 6:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-numbers-up-or-down/335623/17 "2021-11-08T18:15:07Z")
I wasnt aware America had thousands of Presidents. You learn something made up every day. This pointless debate wouldnt have been necessary if the original poster hadnt by default made American President equate World President grammatically, but I understand the ~~manifest destiny~~ confusion. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 6:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-numbers-up-or-down/335623/18 "2021-11-08T18:23:17Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > I wasnt aware America had thousands of Presidents. No one said America but you. He said: > [@Jin\_Endares](#): > > ancient Earth President Not American president. And there has certainly been thousands of presidents worldwide over the course of history. Mr Epeen šŸ•¶ ---
**Author:** ![Jin\_Endares](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jin_endares/32/413291_2.png) [@Jin\_Endares](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jin_Endares)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 6:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-numbers-up-or-down/335623/19 "2021-11-08T18:25:41Z")
> [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > No one said America but you. But it is entertaining how everyone knows who Iā€™m referring too! šŸ™ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-numbers-up-or-down/335623/20 "2021-11-08T18:41:36Z")
> [@Jin\_Endares](#): > > everyone knows who Iā€™m referring too I didnā€™t. So I Googled the line and the best I can come up with is you paraphrased something Bill Clinton said. amiright? Mr Epeen šŸ•¶ [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-numbers-up-or-down/335623.md?page=2)