# Are numbers up or down?

**URL:** <https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-numbers-up-or-down/335623>\
**Category:** General Discussion\
**Created:** [November 6, 2021, 10:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-numbers-up-or-down/335623 "2021-11-06T22:45:33Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\
**Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-numbers-up-or-down/335623/21 "2021-11-08T18:43:20Z")

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> [@Mr\_Epeen](#):
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> No one said America but you

This is the line I was replying to

> [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](#):
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> That’s like if someone said an American butcher and you corrected by saying there has never been a butcher of America

> [@Mr\_Epeen](#):
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> And there has certainly been thousands of presidents worldwide over the course of history.

There certainly have. Presidents from Earth, but no Earth Presidents.

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**Author:** ![bluelysian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bluelysian/32/423769_2.png) [@bluelysian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/bluelysian)\
**Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-numbers-up-or-down/335623/22 "2021-11-08T18:43:51Z")

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> [@May\_Q\_Cry](#):
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> Rattati is also about to nerf mining ships, so I would wait and see how that all works out personally.

Ok did not suprised but i would like to see source . If its possible .

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**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\
**Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-numbers-up-or-down/335623/23 "2021-11-08T18:45:53Z")

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A president from earth would qualify as an earth president. A president of earth would be a president of the entire planet.

Just like an earth doctor would just be a doctor from earth not a doctor of the earth

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**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\
**Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-numbers-up-or-down/335623/24 "2021-11-08T18:47:15Z")

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So Tree Surgeons are men made of wood?

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**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\
**Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-numbers-up-or-down/335623/25 "2021-11-08T18:47:59Z")

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> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#):
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> Presidents from Earth, but no Earth Presidents.

Well aren’t you pedantic today.

Mr Epeen 🕶

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**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\
**Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-numbers-up-or-down/335623/26 "2021-11-08T18:50:45Z")

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> [@Mr\_Epeen](#):
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> Well aren’t you pedantic today.

Eh, I work all day telling Karens they can’t have a refund. I get my kicks in small ways.

Also “are not you pedantic” made me chuckle into my ready meal for one.

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**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\
**Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 6:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-numbers-up-or-down/335623/27 "2021-11-08T18:56:49Z")

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> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#):
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> are not you pedantic

Okay. I’ll bite.

> [@](#):
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> ### English words and Examples of Usage
> 
> ## use "aren’t-you " in a sentence
> 
> Just look! The potatoes are all rolling out! You’re a real dullard aren’t you?
> 
> Aren’t you looking forward to your next chance to speak?
> 
> Aren’t you thirsty?
> 
> You’re visiting a factory tomorrow, aren’t you?
> 
> You are a good cook, aren’t you?
> 
> You’re really handy, aren’t you?
> 
> Don’t you think you’d make a good househusband?
> 
> Aren’t you supposed to be at school today?
> 
> Excuse me, but aren’t you Dr.
> 
> White?
> 
> Aren’t you the lucky one?
> 
> Good morning.
> 
> You’re a bit late today aren’t you?
> 
> Yes, I ran into a bit of trouble.
> 
> Oh, right, you’re a werewolf, aren’t you?
> 
> I’m mixed blood, so I don’t transform or anything.
> 
> Aren’t you sleepy?
> 
> Aren’t you ready?
> 
> Why aren’t you going to the sugar shack?
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> Because we’re all busy.
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> You’re wearing an odd cap, aren’t you?
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> Only first 15 results shown.

Yup. Pedantic as all get-out today.

Mr Epeen 🕶

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**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\
**Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 6:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-numbers-up-or-down/335623/28 "2021-11-08T18:58:01Z")

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I didnt say it was incorrect, its just funny because that was as hard as I could reverse engineer the sentence to be pedantic about it.

Now _that’s_ pedantry.

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**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\
**Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 7:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-numbers-up-or-down/335623/29 "2021-11-08T19:03:06Z")

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Could be, that’s the beauty of English, it’s a very context sensitive language.

The sentence

“You’re a genius”

Can have multiple meanings some the exact opposite of others entirely based on the context.

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**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\
**Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 7:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-numbers-up-or-down/335623/30 "2021-11-08T19:05:52Z")

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True, example:

If you said it to Einstein, he’d probably laugh and say you’re being very kind.

If you said it to me, I’d be like “why the sarcasm, bro. that’s not very nice”.

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**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\
**Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 7:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-numbers-up-or-down/335623/31 "2021-11-08T19:05:53Z")

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ITT:

![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/3/b/43bd37168f57bbbd9d9e4abcac7b1c3b8303d0de.jpeg)

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**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\
**Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 7:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-numbers-up-or-down/335623/32 "2021-11-08T19:12:07Z")

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So are missile destroyers ships that destroy missiles or are missile shooting destroyers… maybe even both? 🤔

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**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\
**Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 7:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-numbers-up-or-down/335623/33 "2021-11-08T19:16:15Z")

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Hilariously, the name of Destroyer classification of naval vessel is a pendant’s joyfield, even more in EvE, so let’s not go there.

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**Author:** ![bluelysian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bluelysian/32/423769_2.png) [@bluelysian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/bluelysian)\
**Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 7:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-numbers-up-or-down/335623/34 "2021-11-08T19:35:22Z")

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too much English lecture for me. I am too old… and tired… confused… I will read those tomorrow.

can someone summarise it for me ?

up or down?

 ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/8/8/a88b8a60edc02e265ba70c09a55f7166560b3678.jpeg)

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**Author:** ![bucegi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bucegi/32/374165_2.png) [@bucegi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/bucegi)\
**Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 10:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-numbers-up-or-down/335623/35 "2021-11-08T22:39:25Z")

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Can’t believe you two lot are still around. You probably live inside the server blades 🙂

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**Author:** ![Jin\_Endares](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jin_endares/32/413291_2.png) [@Jin\_Endares](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jin_Endares)\
**Post date:** [November 8, 2021, 11:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-numbers-up-or-down/335623/36 "2021-11-08T23:46:58Z")

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> [@bluelysian](#):
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> Ok did not suprised but i would like to see source . If its possible .

I don’t have a link per se.

Just that it was discussed here over the summer and in that thread someone did have a link to a CCP statement about rolling back scarcity, reducing “the great exodus”, and cutting back on the EVE financial stimulus they tried. In that bulletin there was a comment about “rebalancing” mining ships by the end of the year.

(Footnote: A lot of people agreed with that , especially changing Oracs as it was believed they are too powerful right now.)

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**Author:** ![L\_gonic\_D\_gingar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/l_gonic_d_gingar/32/394930_2.png) [@L\_gonic\_D\_gingar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/L_gonic_D_gingar)\
**Post date:** [November 11, 2021, 8:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-numbers-up-or-down/335623/37 "2021-11-11T20:32:22Z")

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Hmmm  
No mater how much spices they put on Veldspar it is still Veldspar. No Kernite or Omber and occasional other ores makes mining more fun. My big beef is CCP totally destroyed High Security in some genius plan to force me out of High Security. NO !!! I will let my stuff and three omegas rot in DOOMHEIM first. CCP has declined almost 500 bucks from me and my three omega accounts! I been buying down chemical. Love to come back. But not for Ved Scro Prox only!

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**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\
**Post date:** [November 11, 2021, 8:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-numbers-up-or-down/335623/38 "2021-11-11T20:43:23Z")

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> [@L\_gonic\_D\_gingar](#):
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> CCP has declined almost 500 bucks from me and my three omega accounts

CCP make around $60 million USD per year from EVE. Your $500 doesn’t even reach 1/1000th of one percent of revenue.

Individual choice and action is great, but it isn’t something that has any weight with CCP. It requires mass numbers to withhold spending before there would be an effect.

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**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\
**Post date:** [November 11, 2021, 11:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-numbers-up-or-down/335623/39 "2021-11-11T23:09:42Z")

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If you want more profit, its more risk. Much like anything else. Cry more please.

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**Author:** ![L\_gonic\_D\_gingar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/l_gonic_d_gingar/32/394930_2.png) [@L\_gonic\_D\_gingar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/L_gonic_D_gingar)\
**Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 2:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-numbers-up-or-down/335623/41 "2021-11-12T14:35:27Z")

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Quit flexing your internet muscles at me son! I am unimpressed. No doubt in my mind if we sat across from each other you would be more respectful. I am merely suggesting mandatorily forced playstyle changes alienating an existing customer is bad idea.

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