# Are Wardecs always going to be broken? Is a fix even possible? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 8, 2025, 2:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516 "2025-01-08T02:17:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Babooshkie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/babooshkie/32/447867_2.png) [@Babooshkie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Babooshkie)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2025, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/391 "2025-01-22T17:43:06Z")
You deserve the status of “veteran” here. That was one of the best posts I’ve seen. Also, why isn’t @Mr_Epeen considered a vet? He also has provided great content for many years. #PROMOTE MR. EPEEN! ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2025, 6:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/392 "2025-01-22T18:30:44Z")
And i am against you being overly stupid and lazy… Dont like it, then go play something else. Otherwise I dont give a damn what you think EvE is supposed to be. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2025, 12:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/393 "2025-01-23T00:03:35Z")
> [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > Half your posts are about forcing players to do PVP in order to do PVE, though. What a load of baloney you just made up. > [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > But you are not an honest player. You are a carebear LOL ! There’s zero evidence you have ever undocked. Between you and Kezrai you have a massive ONE kb record in 10 years. It is thus really quite laughable seeing the pair of you lecture everyone on PvP. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2025, 12:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/394 "2025-01-23T00:06:39Z")
> [@Max\_Deveron](#): > > Otherwise I dont give a damn what you think EvE is supposed to be. Sorry…did I say anywhere that I care what you give a damn about ? ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2025, 12:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/395 "2025-01-23T00:13:04Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > A ‘game’ should have ‘fun’ for those playing it as it’s highest goal (right after or on par with returning profits for the hosting company). WDs are no fun for those wardecced. It’s only fun for the wardeccers (which are compared to the people they wardec a _tiny_ minority). So even when seeing it as a ‘game’, wardecs are not benefiting this ‘game’ at all. Especially if we recall (and we can’t repeat that often enough): Everyone who wants to do PvP can just leave HighSec and explore all the vast space out there where he can gang up, shoot or get shot, from 1on1 to the biggest fleet battles. EVE doesn’t _need_ wardecs, they are _not benefitial_ to it and they _do cost the game players, lots of_. Cry me a river. I don’t care. Make me. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2025, 2:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/396 "2025-01-23T02:52:52Z")
But… But… But… What about what their ad that says, “I can do anything I want.”? I want to wd the null blk’s! 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2025, 4:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/397 "2025-01-23T04:53:33Z")
You can do anything you want, just not “x”, “x” and “x”… ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2025, 2:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/398 "2025-01-23T14:27:08Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > There’s zero evidence you have ever undocked You keep saying that, but there is zero evidence that you have 18 alts that are all masters of PvP. I can copy someone else’s killboard too. If you’re going to keep using that very old and tired argument, “There’s zero evidence that you have ever undocked!” then well- so are we. The only proof of your gameplay only shows that you log on to kill shuttles, corvettes, and the very occasional destroyer or T1 hauler. Yet, you want us to believe that you’re the master of PvP. Hey, it’s your argument. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2025, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/399 "2025-01-23T15:27:36Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > The only proof of your gameplay only shows that you log on to kill shuttles, corvettes, and the very occasional destroyer or T1 hauler. Sigh. Well if _that’s_ the level…then at least I got beyond level 1 missions in noob system Trossere…eh 🙂 Can you afford that Incursus loss, or would you like a donation ? ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2025, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/400 "2025-01-23T16:26:07Z")
Sure. 10b ISK. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2025, 9:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/401 "2025-01-23T21:59:06Z")
Hey…welcome to Absolute Order. Good to see you changed your mind and decided to associate with a corp that’s into wardecs 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2025, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/402 "2025-01-23T22:07:52Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > Yet, you want us to believe that you’re the master of PvP. Hey, it’s your argument. I never said I was master of PvP…I said I _do_ PvP. And even Gloria’s admittedly puny 90 kills is still 90 more than the three folks I mentioned. I mean, you’d think _someone_ lecturing us with an alternative on how PvP ‘ought’ to happen would come on with a character bristling with PvP history…eh ? It really isn’t that much to ask. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2025, 11:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/403 "2025-01-23T23:14:24Z")
Actually that’s a bit like asking only rich people to work out how to tax the wealthy. Anyway, I’m aware you wouldn’t be able to read and comprehend a proposal like the one I wrote, so I’ll summarize it here for you: - Wars would be cheaper and easier to fight - More corps could get involved in wars with a reasonable chance to win - There’d be less “only large groups fight wars because only large groups can make steady profit over the fee and structure costs” - Defenders would finally have a reason and methods to particpate in wars, rather than the current system of “just don’t log in, don’t feed them” - More groups (corps and alliances) would be forced war-eligible than currently are - Wars would revolve around actual space activities rather than boring structure bashes. But structure bashes wouldn’t be limited in any way for those who want them. Now tell me, which part of this looks like “removing PvP” to you? Which part looks like demanding more safety? Which part looks like someone trying to discourage PvP and players being active in space, even when a war is declared? More wars, more activities, more players participating, more options for more corps. Let me know, which part of this you disagree with? ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 12:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/404 "2025-01-24T00:49:50Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > Defenders would finally have a reason and methods to particpate in wars, rather than the current system of “just don’t log in, don’t feed them” When a ganker ganks someone, they don’t send a message saying ’ Hey…would you like to participate in some PvP ?'. The act of undocking _is_ their participation. And wardecs are no different. The wardecced corp is _already_ participated by virtue of having plonked a station somewhere. The attacking corp doesn’t need to send a ’ Hey, I hope you wouldn’t mind terribly much if we attack your station ’ message. It would be nice if the defenders _did_ defend and there was some action…but…is it the fault of _the game_ if they’ve plonked their station somewhere and haven’t a hope in hell of defending it because their corp only has 3 members and a mining barge ?? Why is it _OK_ for someone to just plonk 2-3 bn worth of poorly defended station somewhere and just expect it to still be there in a week’s time, when even you would admit that anyone leaving a 2-3 bn ship alone in a system for a week would be silly. Perhaps if you spent less time rambling about how your points have not been grasped and throwing around ad hominems, you’d see I do actually have a point. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 1:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/405 "2025-01-24T01:04:40Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > Perhaps if you spent less time rambling about how your points have not been grasped and throwing around ad hominems, you’d see I do actually have a point. Nah, just more proof that you’ve neither grasped my points nor even understood the thread you’re commenting on. But that’s really all any of us expected, I’m sure. It just would have been nice to be surprised, for once. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 1:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/406 "2025-01-24T01:45:35Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > Nah, just more proof that you’ve neither grasped my points nor even understood the thread you’re commenting on. But that’s really all any of us expected, I’m sure. Ah, yet more ridiculous ad hominem in lieu of an actual response. And a degree of narcissism in claiming to speak for some mythical ‘us’. It simply never occurs to you that your supposedly amazing plan has been rejected because it is entirely based on a false dilemma…as I point out. You haven’t ‘resolved’ a problem…you’ve invented one. There is nothing actually ‘wrong’ with the game. Its entirely down to _players_ not grasping the consequences of setting up structures they cannot hope to defend. And that is true _whatever_ gimmicks one throws in to ‘resolve’ the alleged problem. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 3:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/407 "2025-01-24T03:00:57Z")
Yes, of course. I see no self-interest at all in a wardec abuser declaring that no _actual_ problem exists. “ **Wardecs are just _fine_, folks!** ” ![a man in a suit and tie is standing in front of a destroyed building and says please disperse](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/7/2/27214472dc87f95c8a79d37cb61483191fccc472.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 5:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/408 "2025-01-24T05:12:28Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > wardec abuser Well, you give your true motives away there. How is anyone ‘abusing’ something that is a given part of the game ? Are miners ‘abusing’ asteroids ? Am I ‘abusing’ suspects when I shoot them ? The fact that someone, of their own volition and cause, cannot defend something THEY placed in space does not mean that anyone who takes a shot at it is ‘abusing’ anything. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 5:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/409 "2025-01-24T05:22:08Z")
Please stop with the high and mighty attitude. And yes, it is too much to ask. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 5:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/410 "2025-01-24T05:23:13Z")
I have not changed my mind. I still think war decs in high sec are stupid. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516.md?page=19) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516.md?page=21)