# Are Wardecs always going to be broken? Is a fix even possible? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 8, 2025, 2:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516 "2025-01-08T02:17:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 1:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/472 "2025-01-28T13:52:58Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > Do you _really_ think CCP can’t conceive of the idea that “hey if we make wars super expensive there’ll be less of them?”. CCP wants _more_ wars and more people active in them. They can make wars ‘go away’ all on their own. It’s completely irrelevant what CCP wants. The people living in HS are there because they explicitly want to be left alone by others and enjoy the ‘multiplayer’ part of EVE wthin teir own group. CCP can decide to take their money or lose them sooner or later. And CCP is _bleeding players_ (aka possible paying customers) for years over their stubbornness. HS can and should have wars, no problem. But mass declaring them for the sake of _farming cores_ as a business model needs to stop. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 1:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/473 "2025-01-28T13:55:09Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > It’s completely irrelevant what CCP wants. The people living in HS are there because they explicitly want to be left alone by others and enjoy the ‘multiplayer’ part of EVE wthin teir own group. Actually, that’s exactly what CCP wants or there would be no High Sec. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 2:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/474 "2025-01-28T14:07:07Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > Actually, that’s exactly what CCP wants or there would be no High Sec. If CCP wanted high-sec to be low-sec (or null-sec, or wormhole space) - it would be that. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 2:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/475 "2025-01-28T14:07:08Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > So for a prepared corp that has multiple citadels and moon miners, it gets very difficult to incentivize defense. The Finanar war is an example of the size of corp you are talking about. Parabellum had well over 150 structures. The fleets involved in destroying them were probably the largest in recent highsec history…with there being over 2000 in the system at one time. Both Wrecking Machine and Blackflag’s HQs were destroyed. The battles ( there were several major ones ) were epic…and the entire ending turned upon Parabellum making a mistake that prevented some allies corp swapping, if I recall correctly. We need more wars like that. I **can** understand the point some make that how can corps/alliances get that big if they get bashed early on. But not every small corp is going to survive anyway. Perhaps _the_ simplest solution would be to provide small corps a ‘grace’ period during which their structure is immune from wardecs, but they equally cannot wardec anyone else. No hoops, just an easily understandable grace period…maybe 2 months or something like that. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 2:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/476 "2025-01-28T14:11:32Z")
A grace period is a good start. I’d make it 3 months (90 days). I’m on the fence about whether it should be a one-time thing or repeatable after you lose all your structures (as it would give you time to rebuild). I think we need to increase the price for wardecs to at least 500 million ISK - and I think this should be scalable - but in reverse, ie: if you’re wardec’ing a corporation with a lot of structures (and in theory, a larger corporation as a whole) - the price comes down by 100 million ISK per structure - to a minimum of 100 million ISK. So if you want to go seal clubbing, it’s gonna cost you 500 million ISK to roll the dice. Target a larger corporation - the cost goes down. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 2:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/477 "2025-01-28T14:21:13Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > The people living in HS are there because they explicitly want to be left alone by others and enjoy the ‘multiplayer’ part of EVE wthin teir own group. You just made that up. It has never been the definiton of highsec. Highsec is simply ‘higher security’ ( there’s a big clue in the name ! )…_not absolute security_. There’s absolutely nothing about highsec that guarantees you will be ‘left alone’, and plenty about the design that guarantees you won’t. What would even be the point of grading highsec from 1.0 to 0.5 and thus different degrees of security…and having increased Concord response times…if the function was not to leave people _less secure_ in 0.5 than in 1.0 ? So no…absolutely nothing about highsec has ‘left alone’ written on it. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 2:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/478 "2025-01-28T14:29:00Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > A grace period is a good start. I’d make it 3 months (90 days). I’m on the fence about whether it should be a one-time thing or repeatable after you lose all your structures (as it would give you time to rebuild). Yep I’d go with 3 months. Only for corps of under a certain small size. The only possible downside is people simply creating a new small corp at the end of the 3 months and trying to get another 3 months. And…an alliance simply creating lots of small corps to get round the issue. But I’m sure those problems are not intractible. > [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > I think we need to increase the price for wardecs to at least 500 million ISK No issue with that. It’s really not much more than the average cost of one wardec fleet ship. I also agree with the fee being scaleable, with larger fee for smaller corp. And this would be automated…so no hoops to jump through. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/479 "2025-01-28T14:46:04Z")
He never said that it was safe. He said that it is a reason people choose high sec over low sec. Those are not the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 2:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/480 "2025-01-28T14:52:21Z")
Of course, none of this matters for the corps using holding corps. You declare war on the structure while everyone using it remains perfectly safe. They can’t be attacked without upsetting Concord. This whole thread is meaningless with that protection. As long as the active corp owns no structures, they can enjoy structures without war. People in this thread want to talk about how high sec isnt safe, but it kind of is. There are ways to avoid getting ganked and there are ways to own structures without being in a war. Contrary to popular belief, people in High Sec don’t fly around always looking over their shoulder fearful that they may die at any moment. That doesn’t happen. There are a few places to go that are indeed dangerous (Brapelille is currently one of those places), but there are thousands of systems that are very safe. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 3:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/481 "2025-01-28T15:29:20Z")
You again display a lack of reading comprehension. I haven’t even said a thing about ‘what HS is’. I explained the 'mindset’of the players choosing HS as their space to live. CCP has absolutely _zero_ chance to make wars ‘attractive’ in any shape or form for these players. And again: having wars in HS is okay, but the concept of making a ‘default profit’ for each war you declare has to change to an ‘investment’ that you can only get back if you actually chose an opponent that has many lucrative targets and possibly want to fight, so you can get loot if you win these fights. Or that you pay willfully to reach a political or tactical goal, like removing a competitor from an area or disturb HS operations of your enemies. Wardeccing a 1-structure newbrocorp simply shouldn’t generate money. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 3:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/482 "2025-01-28T15:59:35Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > I explained the 'mindset’of the players choosing HS as their space to live. No, you just made it up. Since when did you know the mindset of every single person in highsec ? Were you part of Stanford Research Institute psychic studies or something ? Indeed, I suspect that THE biggest problem in EVE is precisely that of people inventing ‘what everyone else thinks’…which always just happens to perfectly coincide with their own thoughts ! ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 4:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/483 "2025-01-28T16:02:22Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > No, you just made it up Irony? Or projection? Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/484 "2025-01-28T16:06:16Z")
Maybe he can ‘explain’ the mindset of trolls 🙂 Though I bow to your level of expertise at it. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 4:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/485 "2025-01-28T16:11:12Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > No, you just made it up. I happen to know several people in Eve who feel exactly as he described. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/486 "2025-01-28T16:18:59Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > I happen to know several people in Eve who feel exactly as he described. Um…‘several people in highsec’ is not ‘_the_ people in highsec’. When a person says ‘the people…’ they are speaking for more than just ‘several’. Ya know…the Gettysburg Address does not say ‘Government of several people…’ ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 4:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/487 "2025-01-28T16:21:56Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > Um…‘several people in highsec’ is not ‘_the_ people in highsec’. When a person says ‘the people…’ they are speaking for more than just ‘several’. You seriously have nothing better to contribute than, “You just made that up! That’s never been proven!” to anything that you don’t like? hahahahaha ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/488 "2025-01-28T16:23:23Z")
You seriously have nothing better to contribute than ‘hahahahahaha’ ? Anyway…I’ll leave it with your English being unable to distinguish between ‘several people’ and ‘the people’. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 4:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/489 "2025-01-28T16:24:44Z")
Oh I contributed. I’ve made several posts in this thread in the last hour. You see that little vertical bar to the right? That’s a scroll bar. Go ahead and try moving it up and down. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 4:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/490 "2025-01-28T16:29:37Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > mindset of trolls I ask myself the same question every time you post one of your willfully ignorant replies. Which is pretty much all of them. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 4:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/491 "2025-01-28T16:35:54Z")
Nah…you just can’t help butting in even when its not even you that’s been addressed. I can almost see you sitting there with fingers on keyboard just waiting for the opportunity to post some snide and irrelevant comment. Sad, really. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516.md?page=23) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516.md?page=25)