# Are Wardecs always going to be broken? Is a fix even possible? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 8, 2025, 2:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516 "2025-01-08T02:17:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2025, 12:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/533 "2025-01-31T00:45:04Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > Any Corporation with 100 members must become war eligible before they can got to 101 members. This means that any corp that is 100 members or fewer that does not have a structure cannot be War Deced. They are not war eligible. They cannot be attacked without incurring The Wrath of Concord. It’s still the same problem, just the numbers are now 100. As soon as you put up a structure, your eligible to be wd’ed. Or just break up the one corp into 99 players per corp to avoid that. And you still would not be able to wd without a structure. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2025, 8:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/534 "2025-01-31T08:33:24Z")
Someone touched on this earlier (@Gloria_Exercitus?): more often than not, the ships in the corporation are going to be worth significantly more than any structure. The same is probably going to be true for assets - the bare minimum in a structure with anything valuable stored in a NPC station. Is it really that surprising that most corporations offer up the structure as the sacrificial lamb, bow out and get back to the business of making ISK? Just an observation… ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2025, 9:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/535 "2025-01-31T09:31:42Z")
Question: What regions do wardecs have any kind of impact? The only areas I’m seeing are high-sec and to a lesser extent, low-sec. Unless I’m missing something, they really don’t apply in wormhole space or null-sec - at least in the grand scheme of things. It seems - and again, I could be wrong here - that wardecs merely serve to extend conflicts from other regions to low-sec and high-sec (and to ensure these areas can’t be used as a safe harbor for assets during said conflicts). If this perception is off - please feel free to clarify for me. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2025, 12:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/536 "2025-01-31T12:26:10Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > this perception is off - please feel free to clarify for me. Thanks. That was part of the original idea of HS wars. Hence the description on the eve online website that wars should ‘enable player entities to solve issues’ of any kind. Some of these ‘issues’ would be ‘targeting HS logistic’ of your enemies for example or make sure you can keep attacking your opponents forces even in HS if they would try to hide there. However, the majority of wars aren’t used this way, they are declared en masse to farm cores, ideally from targets that are pre selected to make sure they can’t muster any significant defense. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2025, 12:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/537 "2025-01-31T12:31:05Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > However, the majority of wars aren’t used this way, they are declared en masse to farm cores, ideally from targets that are pre selected to make sure they can’t muster any significant defense. So… how could new corporations (and players) be protected from this without also allowing this to be abused by other regions? ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2025, 12:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/538 "2025-01-31T12:38:29Z")
Has already be explained: by making such wars unlucrative by default and only lucrative if a target is chosen that is large enough to offer lots of loot from ships in space or multiple fitted stations. This way the original purpose of wardecs could be fulfilled, smaller corps and their structure(s) could still be attacked and removed from a region if the attacker is willing to burn some money for it, but mass declarations would be pure waste and thus stop all by themselves. This can be achieved by either making war declarations more costly, cores a lot cheaper or removing cores as a requirement for the basic structure features a small corp would need to use it as home station (docking, fitting, repairing, corphangar). Only if they would want to use _economical_ services like production, refinery, research etc they would need a core and?they would have to calculate if they can get these costs back with their industry before someone comes to shoot the station. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2025, 12:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/539 "2025-01-31T12:42:42Z")
For Starters, by the Devs going back into the existing code and flipping from OFF to ON the need for star base charters as fuel and Faction Standings to deploy structures. Anyone Remember the old: Just because you can fly a ship, does not mean you can fly that ship. This simple thing would be along the same lines as: Just because you create a corporation, does not mean you can create a corporation. -or- Deploying a Structure doe not mean you can Deploy a structure. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2025, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/540 "2025-01-31T13:44:47Z")
Can cores be removed from a structure? In this case if war is declared, the core could just be unfitted from the structure making them not worth attacking for loot. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2025, 4:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/541 "2025-01-31T16:44:51Z")
There’s a 7 day decommissioning phase for a structure, at the end of which the core is dropped. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2025, 4:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/542 "2025-01-31T16:49:13Z")
I thought that structures still required faction standings in low-sec and high-sec to deploy? ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2025, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/543 "2025-01-31T17:00:22Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > Question: What regions do wardecs have any kind of impact? The only areas I’m seeing are high-sec and to a lesser extent, low-sec. Unless I’m missing something, they really don’t apply in wormhole space or null-sec - at least in the grand scheme of things. > > It seems - and again, I could be wrong here - that wardecs merely serve to extend conflicts from other regions to low-sec and high-sec (and to ensure these areas can’t be used as a safe harbor for assets during said conflicts). Yes, I fought defence in a war in nullsec only a few days ago with no actual wardec and no corp swapping…and status kept green in nullsec. I suspect there being no wardec is because our HQ is in highsec and without an ‘official’ wardec we can fly around safely in highsec and lowsec. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2025, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/544 "2025-01-31T17:17:48Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > However, the majority of wars aren’t used this way, they are declared en masse to farm cores, ideally from targets that are pre selected to make sure they can’t muster any significant defense. Reading the forum posts from a number of years ago on the matter, one of the most common comments was that it was all deliberately designed as it is because CCP never actually intended smaller corps to be running structures. Thus people are putting up structures when they are in no way ready or able to defend them. Well…EVE being what it is, _of course_ others are going to take advantage of that. I really don’t think CCP’s response to proposals for a ‘fix’ is going to be anything other than ’ don’t undock what you can’t afford to lose '. Which I think is largely the correct response. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2025, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/545 "2025-01-31T17:20:04Z")
This was posted on Reddit today - thought it was worth sharing. > [@](#): > > We have been running campaigns against Black Flag. aka Vendetta corp, aka From High Sec with Love, aka many, many more. > > We destroy their war HQ and they shuffle their members over to another alliance. > > `Could you limit this in someway, please?` > > There will be innocent newbies, care bears and such, so that needs to be kept in mind, however, how about tracking the frequency of alliance changes? > “You have changed alliance / corporation during a war cool down X times the past Y days. You can only join NPC corporations for the next Z days.” > It can scale up by how much it is abused, heavier and heavier penalties and time outs. > > Otherwise, it is nearly impossible for us to beat this extortion group, that keeps driving new players into quitting EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2025, 5:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/546 "2025-01-31T17:28:39Z")
I think the solution here is to just be smart about it. If you want a structure, scout out a quiet little nook in space and set it up. Don’t place it in Jita or Udema. Use that website that tells you how much recent activity has been in a system. There are many small quiet corners of High Sec. This is a really big Galaxy! Don’t set up in places with high traffic. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2025, 5:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/547 "2025-01-31T17:30:52Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > innocent newbies I must have missed the ‘innocent newbie’ speech from Aura. I was just told I’d die lots more times so get over it already. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2025, 5:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/548 "2025-01-31T17:37:51Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > I must have missed the ‘innocent newbie’ speech from Aura. I was just told I’d die lots more times so get over it already. Just quoting Reddit… I guess you’re innocent until you undock for the first time. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2025, 5:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/549 "2025-01-31T17:38:34Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > I think the solution here is to just be smart about it. If you want a structure, scout out a quiet little nook in space and set it up. Don’t place it in Jita or Udema. Use that website that tells you how much recent activity has been in a system. I’ve scouted for stations to bash. It requires a certain ship fitting, probes, hacking stuff, etc. All those ‘off the beaten track’ stations are really not that hard to find. And they can be hacked and scanned to see exactly what they have fitted. If I scout a system…I _will_ find the stations in it. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2025, 5:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/550 "2025-01-31T17:41:06Z")
So we’ve established there’s no safe “off the beaten path” to deploy a structure. Check. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2025, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/551 "2025-01-31T17:42:34Z")
The ability to make off-grid deep safes to deploy structures at was removed years ago. You can make it to where your citadel doesn’t show up on the overview, but it can still be scanned down, no matter where it is in the system… ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2025, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/552 "2025-01-31T17:46:14Z")
I couldn’t find anything in my searches - there’s no requirements (standings, etc.) to deploy structures? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516.md?page=26) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516.md?page=28)