# Are Wardecs always going to be broken? Is a fix even possible? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 8, 2025, 2:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516 "2025-01-08T02:17:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 36
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2025, 3:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/715 "2025-02-07T15:53:10Z")
> [@Bakster\_Kane](#): > > Any resource that spawns in abundance in a low risk area will be common on the market. There is nothing wrong with that > [@Bakster\_Kane](#): > > Resources available in areas with low risk will be abundant on the market assuming they arent rare I hope you see we agree on this part. You seem to think that PVP is the only risk, but also that if a resource can be mined with no or little risk then the economy will break. But thats fear mongering ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2025, 3:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/716 "2025-02-07T15:55:39Z")
PvP is the ONLY risk, unless you’re an idiot and mine in the middle of a Sansha Incursion or right next to a Blood Raider FOB. In which case you deserve to lose your entire fleet… ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2025, 3:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/717 "2025-02-07T15:57:59Z")
Holy crap, I step away for 15 minutes… ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2025, 3:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/718 "2025-02-07T15:59:33Z")
Thats because thats how the game is currently designed ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2025, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/719 "2025-02-07T16:00:28Z")
And how it has worked for the past 22 years. This isn’t a “current” design. EVE has been like this since day one… /end thread ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2025, 4:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/720 "2025-02-07T16:03:33Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > Or abandon it. I can begin anchoring a new Athanor in another system long before you blow up that one. And no- you’re not going to just warp to the new one and blow it up too because it won’t be anywhere nearby. Athanors aren’t worth defending. They’re disposable. No amount of posts on this thread will ever change the fact that they are just not worth defending. But as you are part of AO, any attack on your structure would be an attack on AO…and you already know the size of fleets AO can muster. Plus you would probably not get attacked by Wrecking Machine for the same reason. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2025, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/721 "2025-02-07T16:06:04Z")
Let’s just go back to the days of being able to war dec anyone and everyone for any or no reason at all, whether they owned structures or not. You’d really see the salt flow then… ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2025, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/722 "2025-02-07T16:06:55Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > But as you are part of AO, any attack on your structure would be an attack on AO…and you already know the size of fleets AO can muster. Plus you would probably not get attacked by Wrecking Machine for the same reason. Yeah, now. But not everyone is and anyone who loses their whole fleet just to defend an Athanor will learn not to do that again. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2025, 4:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/723 "2025-02-07T16:08:53Z")
![1nh7yt](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/f/2/df255a120765591734852539515d3a91ed648a50.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2025, 4:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/724 "2025-02-07T16:09:46Z")
I wonder how many people recognize the bad state the game is in and just spends their time and money on something else ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2025, 4:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/725 "2025-02-07T16:12:23Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > Yeah, now. But not everyone is and anyone who loses their whole fleet just to defend an Athanor will learn not to do that again. But that is precisely why, as you’ve probably noticed, AO is a collection of not just the major AO corps but a host of smaller corps. No doubt some autonomy is lost in the process of having a powerful alliance to defend one’s corp…but that’s precisely how EVE works. Indeed, even in RL it is how NATO works. Liechtenstein would not last 5 minutes in a war…you can drive through it in less time than that. But it has powerful allies. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2025, 4:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/726 "2025-02-07T16:13:01Z")
Those people won’t be missed. EVE is a niche game. Always has been, always will be… ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2025, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/727 "2025-02-07T16:15:12Z")
EVE is sociopathic capitalism…in space. Apparently, there are only roughly 30k+ of us left with that mindset… ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2025, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/728 "2025-02-07T16:16:01Z")
No-one was saying EVE was niche between 2004 and 2011 ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/e/2/ee28100301be9cf3ceef374d51226ef99deb8e80.png) ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2025, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/729 "2025-02-07T16:17:20Z")
Yeah, 50k is still niche. WoW had literally millions of players, as have other online games. ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2025, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/730 "2025-02-07T16:18:20Z")
If CCP believed it was a niche game they would not have made it to begin with, its something they started thinking recently, possibly to avoid blaming themselves for the lack of growth and player interest ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2025, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/731 "2025-02-07T16:19:18Z")
EVE is the longest-running space MMO ever, and is, I believe, the 3rd longest running MMO in gaming history. I’d call that successful… ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2025, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/732 "2025-02-07T16:23:30Z")
What is the word for that, thinking you’re successful but you are not which leads to your demise ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2025, 4:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/733 "2025-02-07T16:24:01Z")
> [@Bakster\_Kane](#): > > niche game A popular EVE Twitch streamer will have a few hundred people watching their stream compared to other MMOs with upwards of ten thousand watching. So yeah. EVE is a niche game. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2025, 4:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/734 "2025-02-07T16:24:26Z")
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