# Are Wardecs always going to be broken? Is a fix even possible? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 8, 2025, 2:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516 "2025-01-08T02:17:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2025, 4:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/735 "2025-02-07T16:25:51Z")
Oh… you’re a dancer. buh-bye Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2025, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/736 "2025-02-07T16:26:02Z")
Saying its niche is just a politically correct way to say its bad ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2025, 4:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/737 "2025-02-07T16:33:54Z")
Imo people who want the best for EVE should not rush to defend CCPs niche behavior and the niche state of the game but who knows. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2025, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/738 "2025-02-07T18:08:23Z")
> [@Bakster\_Kane](#): > > No-one was saying EVE was niche between 2004 and 2011 No-one ?? You mean like this from 2009 ?.. " Eve online will always be a niche game.. " > **[The impact of Eve Online’s Band of Brothers coup - Gamesbrief](https://www.gamesbrief.com/2009/03/the-impact-of-eve-onlines-band-of-brothers-coup/)** > > I know this happened over a month ago, but I’ve been trying to think about its implications. Band of Brothers, one of the biggest alliances in the Eve Online universe, was destroyed by arch-rivals GoonSwarm by the oldest trick in the book: the... ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2025, 10:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/739 "2025-02-07T22:31:08Z")
> For players trying to escape the daily realities of a credit-crunched world, online deception, treachery and outright theft of money and ships built from months or years of work is a poor alternative. The author is not wrong and thats why among other things an area with no PVP is not a bad thing ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2025, 2:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/740 "2025-02-08T02:51:40Z")
> [@Bakster\_Kane](#): > > an area with no PVP is not a bad thing Lol. Wants no PVP and then joins the most PvP active corp in highsec. ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2025, 8:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/741 "2025-02-08T08:09:24Z")
AO dont have any structure so cant be war decced. it circumvent the niche design and allows them to have a somewhat desirable high sec. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2025, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/742 "2025-02-10T13:56:40Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > Lol. Wants no PVP and then joins the most PvP active corp in highsec. It’s not a bad strategy. It’s a really good one. If you can’t beat the bullies, join a bigger band of bullies and learn. It’s nothing to make fun of. It’s a smart move. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2025, 1:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/743 "2025-02-10T13:57:48Z")
> [@Bakster\_Kane](#): > > AO dont have any structure so cant be war decced. it circumvent the niche design and allows them to have a somewhat desirable high sec. Wrong. AO has a lot of structures and they just won a war yesterday by destroying the attacker’s War HQ. AW has no structures. Absolute Will. Absolute Order does. ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2025, 2:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/744 "2025-02-10T14:01:44Z")
@Glenduil ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/3/d/03d96b7d5ccc36d99c19f99529443f21a8ff6499.png) ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2025, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/745 "2025-02-10T14:17:49Z")
I am a member of Absolute Order and we just destroyed the war hq yesterday of the group that declared war against us. We are still at war until the 24 hour period is over. ![1000002584](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/3/5/735f0055a35c02f32be7f8ce298955f1d1046be9.jpeg) From our alliance mail. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2025, 2:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/746 "2025-02-10T14:19:35Z")
So out of curiosity, what were the respective losses on each side? ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2025, 2:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/747 "2025-02-10T14:20:47Z")
I dont yet know. I had a very busy weekend since I was on call. I wasnt able to make any of the fleets. ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2025, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/748 "2025-02-10T14:25:21Z")
Over 4 years since their last war ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/c/2/2c2ccf20ba171e110e78bfca8caa39613d83dfe3.png) ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2025, 2:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/749 "2025-02-10T14:33:36Z")
Note Exifinex suggests in the mail you shared that people could switch corp to Absolute Order to avoid Wardecs ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2025, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/750 "2025-02-10T14:41:00Z")
Cant wait for CCP to fix that btw. A corp with 5000 members should not be allowed to be safe in high sec. No-one should. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2025, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/751 "2025-02-10T15:28:42Z")
Apologies. Youre right. Im in Absolute Will. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2025, 3:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/752 "2025-02-10T15:59:51Z")
> [@Bakster\_Kane](#): > > Note Exifinex suggests in the mail you shared that people could switch corp to Absolute Order to avoid Wardecs In reality there’s permanently war eligible corps within the overall Absolute Order alliance, and those in turn have generally permanent members. I have two AO alts that rarely ever change corp. AO9, which is part of Wrecking Machine, is permanently war eligible for example. So the idea that everyone is changing corp for every battle is somewhat of a myth. And those who do switch corp are not doing so to avoid wardecs…quite the reverse. They were never in a wardec corp in the first place, and they switch to one for the duration of the war. ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2025, 4:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/753 "2025-02-10T16:29:01Z")
I was being sarcastic, i am in favor of wardecs only being possible between alliances and corps that holds sov and that players in such corps and alliances gain an effect called “Sovereign” that increases damage and mining yield among other things 🧐 ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2025, 5:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516/754 "2025-02-10T17:03:59Z")
> [@Bakster\_Kane](#): > > i am in favor of wardecs only being possible between alliances and corps that holds sov and that players in such corps and alliances gain an effect called “Sovereign” I’m with those who argue that any corp should be able to declare war, with or without a structure…but that there should be expensive consequences for doing so. Wardecs without structures could be as simple as naming a _system_ and an enemy corp for your war, paying Concord an exorbitant fee ( two or three billion ) and then you are free to shoot to your heart’s content within that system for 24 hours…but normal Concord rules apply outside of that one system. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516.md?page=36) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-wardecs-always-going-to-be-broken-is-a-fix-even-possible/473516.md?page=38)