# Are you in favor of non consensual PVP? (Ganking) **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 13, 2023, 9:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-you-in-favor-of-non-consensual-pvp-ganking/427577 "2023-11-13T09:51:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-you-in-favor-of-non-consensual-pvp-ganking/427577/21 "2023-11-13T11:18:01Z")
I’m sure you do. Can’t wait. ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 11:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-you-in-favor-of-non-consensual-pvp-ganking/427577/22 "2023-11-13T11:21:11Z")
> [@Uriel\_Murk\_Udoria](#): > > If the recent, and really good ‘Down the Rabbit Hole’ documentary exposed anything about Eve, it is the idea of deeply thought out and planned design. I am pretty sure Hilmar would even concede a staggering amount of what is there has developed with time organically, with best effort to be hands off as much as possible. That is miles away from it being all ‘designed that way’ and more so ‘this is the best we have, which works for now.’ i won’t dispute that. however I will point out that the idea of being able to engage anyone in any space at any time has been a core design philosophy from the very beginning. afaik: you could hisec suicide gank in the beta and it’s been part of EVE since day one. ---
**Author:** ![Prometheus\_XRay](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/prometheus_xray/32/389871_2.png) [@Prometheus\_XRay](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Prometheus_XRay)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 11:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-you-in-favor-of-non-consensual-pvp-ganking/427577/23 "2023-11-13T11:25:05Z")
Nope. ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 11:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-you-in-favor-of-non-consensual-pvp-ganking/427577/24 "2023-11-13T11:28:27Z")
> [@New\_Order\_Enforcer](#): > > The lowsec “pirates” are just miners and missioners who use this income to pay for their lowsec adventures. Making then effectively people who has to PVE to pay for their PVP. Outside of certain pipes - like Rancer. Because I can vouch that piracy there pays quite well. > [@New\_Order\_Enforcer](#): > > Mining and missioning is also repetitive and boring to make you sleepy, which also allows EVEs emergent gameplay. Especially hisec mining. Not to mention it doesn’t even pay. Mining in jspace or LS… you have to keep watching or you will lose your fleet. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 11:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-you-in-favor-of-non-consensual-pvp-ganking/427577/25 "2023-11-13T11:31:27Z")
> [@Wesfahrn](#): > > What is the purpose of CONCORD? They teach lessons. They give away free licenses to kill, that you can use or sell for profit. They provide LP. But you know all this. Get to the juice, you already tried to beef up the thread by changing its title from “Are you in favor of more ganking” to using fashionable, firebrand words like non-consensual… Would you like hisec to be completely safe ? Another anti-ganking thread ? ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 11:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-you-in-favor-of-non-consensual-pvp-ganking/427577/26 "2023-11-13T11:33:23Z")
Since you ask i think high sec being completely safe (from ganking) is preferable to the current situation. The gankers can learn and adapt ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 11:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-you-in-favor-of-non-consensual-pvp-ganking/427577/27 "2023-11-13T11:38:25Z")
Well, given that there is no such thing in EvE as non-consensual PvP when undocked, this thread takes an unexpected twist: should EvE players be able to gank each other in the alleged safety of a station/structure ? Open the mystery door from the Captain’s Quarters ? We’ve been dreaming about it ever since Incarna. I would be in favor, yes, haha, oh yesssss. But I’m certain that ccp would make that type of blood shedding also auto-consensual 😀 The marriage of EvE Online with Deus Ex or an FPS. Oh boy, send in the hit team and the ninjas. Alas, it’s a dream. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Order\_Enforcer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/new_order_enforcer/32/387867_2.png) [@New\_Order\_Enforcer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/New_Order_Enforcer)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 11:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-you-in-favor-of-non-consensual-pvp-ganking/427577/28 "2023-11-13T11:53:55Z")
> [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](#): > > Outside of certain pipes - like Rancer. Because I can vouch that piracy there pays quite well Not really, there is too many people for too little loot. Just check Ahbazon. Sure some times a hauler autopilots its way with 5b in cargo, but ends getting dunked by 30 pilots + loot drop… try to plex your toons with that after splitting the cargo between the campers… ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 11:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-you-in-favor-of-non-consensual-pvp-ganking/427577/29 "2023-11-13T11:59:24Z")
> [@New\_Order\_Enforcer](#): > > Not really, there is too many people for too little loot. Just check Ahbazon. Sure some times a hauler autopilots its way with 5b in cargo, but ends getting dunked by 30 pilots + loot drop… try to plex your toons with that after splitting the cargo between the campers… Fair enough. It wasn’t a problem in Rancer back when I lived there as a) PLEXing was about 1.6B at the time, b) we had no more than 10 people camping so loot splitting resulted in a decent income. I also didn’t really care about loot as my main income is trade and industry (which are mostly afk activities - you do your part and then you are free to do whatever you want). Not to mention lazy PI - extraction into P1 in lowsec that paid for subscription with minimal sp, isk and time investments (other than the setup, that one always takes time). Essentially I was shooting people because I wanted to shoot. Good ol’ times. Maybe I should get back to it… ---
**Author:** ![Drammie\_Askold](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drammie_askold/32/380085_2.png) [@Drammie\_Askold](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drammie_Askold)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 12:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-you-in-favor-of-non-consensual-pvp-ganking/427577/30 "2023-11-13T12:23:02Z")
Yes. Next question please. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Traindriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_traindriver/32/373313_2.png) [@ISD\_Traindriver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Traindriver)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 12:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-you-in-favor-of-non-consensual-pvp-ganking/427577/31 "2023-11-13T12:34:40Z")
I want to bring up the Following in here: > [@8 Golden Rules for EVE Online](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973): > > [image] These are based on [Akita T’s Golden rules for new players](https://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=588605), originally published on the old forums. Be able to afford a loss Never fly something (or with something in the cargo) you can’t afford to lose. Yes, not even in highsec. Meaning that you should not fly a ship you cannot afford to replace and refit. Consent to PvP You consent to PvP when you click “undock”. You are not safe in 1.0 security space. [CONCORD](https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/203208902-CONCORD) is there to punish, not to protect. Get used to the idea. In most case… Especially this section: ![grafik](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/8/5/1856fb92584b14e874a39ecca8bc659494d42a56.png) So as in Eve is no “non consensual PvP” this Poll will be Closed now: 1.Specifically restricted conduct. The purpose of the EVE Online forums is to provide a platform for exchange of ideas, and a venue for the discussion of EVE Online. Occasionally there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Forum users are expected to courteous when disagreeing with others. In order to maintain an environment where everyone is welcome and discussion flows freely, certain types of conduct are prohibited on the EVE Online forums. These are: **Trolling** Flaming Ranting Personal Attacks Harassment Doxxing Racism & Discrimination Hate Speech Sexism **Spamming** Bumping Off-Topic Posting Pyramid Quoting Rumor Mongering New Player Bashing Impersonation Advertising ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Traindriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_traindriver/32/373313_2.png) [@ISD\_Traindriver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Traindriver)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 12:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-you-in-favor-of-non-consensual-pvp-ganking/427577/32 "2023-11-13T12:34:42Z")
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