# Are You Planning to Vote for CSM? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** csm\ **Created:** [October 3, 2025, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-you-planning-to-vote-for-csm/498646 "2025-10-03T16:19:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2025, 1:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-you-planning-to-vote-for-csm/498646/21 "2025-10-04T13:47:30Z")
Is it? People have all sorts of opinions in a democracy. The idea is to vote for someone who can represent you. ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2025, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-you-planning-to-vote-for-csm/498646/22 "2025-10-04T14:44:54Z")
So never then? ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2025, 2:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-you-planning-to-vote-for-csm/498646/23 "2025-10-04T14:49:47Z")
CCP are her greatest fans - they recognise her as the true princess of Highsec and the most successful, prolific, popular ganker in the history of EVE. ![smoking 2](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/c/1/0c1efbd16e907eaad4ffd696490951a7f1d893d5.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2025, 2:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-you-planning-to-vote-for-csm/498646/24 "2025-10-04T14:56:42Z")
I see the IP pings, it’s clear I have more than one regular reader at CCP. ---
**Author:** ![Aallin\_Gicquet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aallin_gicquet/32/510703_2.png) [@Aallin\_Gicquet](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aallin_Gicquet)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2025, 3:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-you-planning-to-vote-for-csm/498646/25 "2025-10-04T15:17:50Z")
Very democratic. He stated an opinion. You disagreed with. He responded. Congratulations you just participated in how the democracy operates. Well how about that? Our perfect vampire princess deigned to participate in the democratic process after all. 😜 ---
**Author:** ![Tiger\_space\_Thedark](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tiger_space_thedark/32/373728_2.png) [@Tiger\_space\_Thedark](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tiger_space_Thedark)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2025, 8:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-you-planning-to-vote-for-csm/498646/26 "2025-10-04T20:16:11Z")
why should i vote for something that rarerly stear ccp decision other then just “told you” ? ---
**Author:** ![Wachutu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wachutu/32/410262_2.png) [@Wachutu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wachutu)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2025, 9:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-you-planning-to-vote-for-csm/498646/28 "2025-10-04T21:43:25Z")
CSM aren’t here for players but for CCP providing feedback about upcoming updates ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2025, 11:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-you-planning-to-vote-for-csm/498646/29 "2025-10-05T11:16:24Z")
I give any CSM my higher ranked votes that coerces CCP into fixing their rubbish server tech. ---
**Author:** ![Denyial](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/denyial/32/426393_2.png) [@Denyial](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Denyial)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2025, 11:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-you-planning-to-vote-for-csm/498646/30 "2025-10-05T11:52:46Z")
nothing comes from it, so no. ---
**Author:** ![Eloken\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eloken_toralen/32/401714_2.png) [@Eloken\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eloken_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2025, 12:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-you-planning-to-vote-for-csm/498646/31 "2025-10-05T12:39:05Z")
> [@Bliss\_Holochira](#): > > Will you participate? Last time I voted with 6 accounts. My first choice is a current CSM member. ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Matthew](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mark_matthew/32/461531_2.png) [@Mark\_Matthew](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mark_Matthew)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2025, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-you-planning-to-vote-for-csm/498646/32 "2025-10-06T13:27:34Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > I’d rather vote in someone I trust So you admit the system depends on who CCP chooses to listen to, not the actual feedback? That’s exactly my point. The CSM exists so players think they’re being heard. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2025, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-you-planning-to-vote-for-csm/498646/33 "2025-10-06T15:09:23Z")
> [@Mark\_Matthew](#): > > So you admit the system depends on who CCP chooses to listen to, not the actual feedback? That’s exactly my point. It depends on both. People may have good feedback, but there’s a lot of feedback. CCP may listen to the wrong kind of feedback. ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Matthew](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mark_matthew/32/461531_2.png) [@Mark\_Matthew](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mark_Matthew)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2025, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-you-planning-to-vote-for-csm/498646/34 "2025-10-06T15:28:26Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > CCP may listen to the wrong kind of feedback. Wow! I think you’ve cracked the case! Now, let’s get into the thick of it. How much influence does CCP have on the process by which CSM members are chosen? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2025, 3:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-you-planning-to-vote-for-csm/498646/35 "2025-10-06T15:44:55Z")
All the influence they want. It’s CCP’s process after all. In this case CCP gives players the option to choose from a list of candidates they prefer to have on the CSM, which then get assigned most seats through preferential voting, after which CCP adds a couple more players who ended up high in votes and are choices CCP would like to see on the CSM. ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Matthew](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mark_matthew/32/461531_2.png) [@Mark\_Matthew](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mark_Matthew)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2025, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-you-planning-to-vote-for-csm/498646/36 "2025-10-06T16:04:21Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > It’s CCP’s process after all. Back to my point: the CSM exists so players _think_ they’re being heard. It’s just a show and a waste of time. EVE hasn’t gotten better since the CSM was created, only worse. ---
**Author:** ![Drake\_Iddon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drake_iddon/32/412757_2.png) [@Drake\_Iddon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drake_Iddon)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2025, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-you-planning-to-vote-for-csm/498646/37 "2025-10-06T17:35:45Z")
Counterpoint: [Here is 16 pages of patch notes since November that I personally worked on](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BqifofDuofZVsTGl7wBkGWrK1oZdqIgd/view?usp=sharing) This does not include any of the non-pochven changes that I also worked on or otherwise advocated for, it also doesn’t include wormhole changes that Mick worked on, the low-sec changes that YP2 worked on. It also doesn’t include anything that we have or are working on that will be part of future updates to the game It’s not a token panel, although the effectiveness of each CSM year is very much contingent on if the CSM members in it are competent, are able to work alongside each other and are able to work with CCP in a professional manner ---
**Author:** ![Akkar\_Kardashev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akkar_kardashev/32/514189_2.png) [@Akkar\_Kardashev](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akkar_Kardashev)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2025, 8:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-you-planning-to-vote-for-csm/498646/38 "2025-10-06T20:36:03Z")
Going to assume the one weaponising the community flags is one of the fools who would stand for CSM. Get a grip. ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Matthew](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mark_matthew/32/461531_2.png) [@Mark\_Matthew](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mark_Matthew)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2025, 8:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-you-planning-to-vote-for-csm/498646/39 "2025-10-06T20:51:21Z")
> [@Drake\_Iddon](#): > > the effectiveness of each CSM year is very much contingent on Do they agree with the direction CCP wants to go? I’m sorry that you’re putting so much effort into something that would happen with zero effort from you. CCP will do what they do and pat you on the back for agreeing with them. ---
**Author:** ![Drake\_Iddon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drake_iddon/32/412757_2.png) [@Drake\_Iddon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drake_Iddon)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2025, 10:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-you-planning-to-vote-for-csm/498646/40 "2025-10-06T22:13:16Z")
> [@Mark\_Matthew](#): > > Do they agree with the direction CCP wants to go? I would argue that it is (at least on CSM19) very effective when the CSM do not agree with the direction CCP wants to go The crux of the matter is it requires CCP devs (specific devs who are doing said changes or content, not CCP the company) to respect the CSM making the argument and the quality of the argument that the CSM makes. If the CSM stomp thier feet and complain without any actual explaination to back up thier disagreement then it is obviously going to get ignored by that dev > [@Mark\_Matthew](#): > > I’m sorry that you’re putting so much effort into something that would happen with zero effort from you. thats odd because a very large amount of the changes in that list were done either directly by me, based on direct input from me and other CSMs (specifically Dujek and Seddow), or based on the players of Pochven during roundtable meetings set up by me, without any impetus from CCP I understand that alot of bittervets are going to bittervet regardless what other people say, but when you do it in the face of obvious evidence that contradicts your worldview then it just makes you look a bit silly mate ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Matthew](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mark_matthew/32/461531_2.png) [@Mark\_Matthew](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mark_Matthew)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2025, 10:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-you-planning-to-vote-for-csm/498646/41 "2025-10-06T22:30:01Z")
> [@Drake\_Iddon](#): > > makes you look a bit silly mate If you say so, it must be true. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-you-planning-to-vote-for-csm/498646.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/are-you-planning-to-vote-for-csm/498646.md?page=3)