# Ariel Rin and Third Party Development for CSM19 **URL:** \ **Category:** CSM Campaigns\ **Tags:** esi, community\ **Created:** [September 30, 2024, 9:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ariel-rin-and-third-party-development-for-csm19/462992 "2024-09-30T21:41:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 4:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ariel-rin-and-third-party-development-for-csm19/462992/21 "2024-10-02T04:54:46Z")
Ariels got my vote. Ive asked a few others, ill ask you too. With the high plex prices and prices of mods, what would you think about missions getting a raise in rewards considering its been YEARS since theyve had any raise. ---
**Author:** ![Ceris\_Victoria](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ceris_victoria/32/435446_2.png) [@Ceris\_Victoria](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ceris_Victoria)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 5:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ariel-rin-and-third-party-development-for-csm19/462992/22 "2024-10-02T05:14:50Z")
Putting the ESI stuff aside where I’m no expert. I can vouch for Ariel Rin being a solid player that can give CCP valuable input on all kinds of gameplay. ---
**Author:** ![Ariel\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ariel_rin/32/380716_2.png) [@Ariel\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ariel_Rin)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 9:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ariel-rin-and-third-party-development-for-csm19/462992/23 "2024-10-02T09:35:32Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > what would you think about missions getting a raise in rewards considering its been YEARS since theyve had any raise. Missions are something I’ve used and abused on the regular, and like a proper nerd I’ve written detailed articles on the how and why. I actually sincerely like the fact they are something to do in EVE thats not _ISK_ (LS burners aside) There are a lot of mission methods that are extremely lucrative, and there are a lot that are hot garbage. But staleness leads to hyper optimization, which while this is precisely what I enjoy, isnt healthy when left alone for 10 years. There are some easy wins that come to mind such as re-evaluating what missions are available for which factions, and either levelling the playing field or adding in some geographical flavour The reward for most missions is in line with where I expect risk/reward to fall, its just not always tied to the raw mission\_reward\_payout. Moving this payout towards ISK and away from LP/Tags/Standings would only serve to add more faucets to the game and devalue missions over time as isk inflates. ---
**Author:** ![Elinore\_en\_Divalone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elinore_en_divalone/32/507815_2.png) [@Elinore\_en\_Divalone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elinore_en_Divalone)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2024, 11:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ariel-rin-and-third-party-development-for-csm19/462992/24 "2024-10-05T11:05:43Z")
@Ariel_Rin Do you support hiring (EVE Vanguard) Warclone Mercenaries as an attack/defense vector in Capsuleer conflicts? Like attacking/defending Planetary Infrastructure, Skyhooks/POCOs and Upwell Structures? As a CSM would you try and pitch for CCP to make stack multi-split (splitting a stack of items into multiple stacks of same size in one go instead of just on split at a time) happen? ---
**Author:** ![Ariel\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ariel_rin/32/380716_2.png) [@Ariel\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ariel_Rin)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2024, 11:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ariel-rin-and-third-party-development-for-csm19/462992/25 "2024-10-05T11:43:47Z")
> [@Elinore\_en\_Divalone](#): > > Do you support hiring (EVE Vanguard) Warclone Mercenaries I am a Dust Bunny, I am in full support of Vanguard \<\> EVE interactions. Where I can add some context is in making sure this isnt a whole bunch of boring space paperwork in an obtuse UI that takes time away from flying spaceships (or treading dirt) Karkur’s little things are so entwined with the way we play eve today in the most amazing ways. There are thousands of these small QoL life things that id like to encourage these things to return. Limiting it to one pitch only limits our possibilities, its about a culture of improvement. ---
**Author:** ![Rhett\_Schouten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rhett_schouten/32/412798_2.png) [@Rhett\_Schouten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rhett_Schouten)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2024, 10:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ariel-rin-and-third-party-development-for-csm19/462992/26 "2024-10-05T22:20:29Z")
O7 Ariel Rin, Last year I asked eight questions and then compiled the answers into a huge mega-thread. It was massive. With the exception of MILINT\_ARC\_Trooper, no one had a thread bigger than mine, to be fair MILINT\_ARC\_Troopers’ thread was so weighty and knowledgable it teetered on the edge of collapsing into its’ own core. That catalogue of replies is now a time-capsule and encapsulated within are the hopes and disappointments that CSM 18 candidates considered worth speaking about during the year of EVE’s 20th anniversary. The responses gave voters _en masse_ an opportunity to test and compare each hopeful CSM 18 candidates commitment to their claims of being community oriented, knowledgable, responsive and representative of player values. Given that the CSM does not directly control any aspect of EVE’s development and that the successful candidates are those that can identify existing and future consequences, co-operate with other CSM members, and communicate issues -from a player perspective- to CCP staff one-to-one, I’ve formulated a set of questions designed to seperate the compressed ORE from the Long-Limb Roes in this years election race. Year-on-year the Independent Representatives, Solo players with single accounts, Worm Holers, Triangle People, Semi-nomadic Role-Playing Sandbox Explorers, and Salvagers, have been organising and gaining traction against the self-secure Null-Bloc Empire Candidates and their vast hordes of leather-skinned, evil, flying-monkeys. More-and-more players are choosing to vote in members they believe can positively impact CCP’s approach to the game regardless of their in-game affiliations. Exposure matters, who are you, what is your clue? As was the process last year I will post each candidates reply in a super thread, first-in first-served. **This years questions:** 1. What ONE identifiable consequence requires CCP’s attention? 2. What PROVABLE evidence can you supply to support your belief in this situation? 3. What practical, and balanced change can be made to support a solution if any? 4. What support do your observations have from other CSM candidates? 5. How will you present your findings to CCP? _If you have already identified and spoken about a problem in your CSM candidacy bio at the top of this thread feel free to copy pasta that response where applicable. I’ll copy paste directly from your response to this post. Choose your goblet…. wisely._ Let the games begin, and may the odds ever be in your favour. ---
**Author:** ![Ariel\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ariel_rin/32/380716_2.png) [@Ariel\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ariel_Rin)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2024, 1:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ariel-rin-and-third-party-development-for-csm19/462992/27 "2024-10-06T13:31:50Z")
> [@Rhett\_Schouten](#): > > - What ONE identifiable consequence requires CCP’s attention? The Excel Addin that CCP have put all their promotion and effort into, is dead in the water, as it, as with all Third Party Applications it relies on ESI. > [@Rhett\_Schouten](#): > > - What PROVABLE evidence can you supply to support your belief in this situation? Support Ticket #2270789, Issues logged with the EVE Excel addin, caused by ESI 504 timeouts. EVE Support have denied assistance. > [@Rhett\_Schouten](#): > > - What practical, and balanced change can be made to support a solution if any? Communicating the issue is by far the absolute minumum of effort that should be required. > [@Rhett\_Schouten](#): > > - What support do your observations have from other CSM candidates? Most other CSM candidates aren’t directly in the weeds dealing with ESI daily putting the fires out and keeping people flying spaceships. > [@Rhett\_Schouten](#): > > 1. How will you present your findings to CCP? As we already have, as data driven clear reports of the direct impact this is having on players ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2024, 2:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ariel-rin-and-third-party-development-for-csm19/462992/28 "2024-10-06T14:54:43Z")
Have you tried communicating with the excel guy on here? ---
**Author:** ![Ariel\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ariel_rin/32/380716_2.png) [@Ariel\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ariel_Rin)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2024, 12:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ariel-rin-and-third-party-development-for-csm19/462992/29 "2024-10-07T00:25:32Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > Have you tried communicating with the excel guy on here? We have had many discussions in the [#spreadsheets](https://discord.com/channels/940573867192221696/1120716131834003506) channel in the EVE Online Discord They are who confirmed CCP is atleast aware of the issues, but have no further information. ---
**Author:** ![Ariel\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ariel_rin/32/380716_2.png) [@Ariel\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ariel_Rin)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2024, 12:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ariel-rin-and-third-party-development-for-csm19/462992/30 "2024-10-08T00:05:27Z")
Had a great chat with Schad, what was supposed to be 20 mins ended up as nearly an hour and a half https://player.twitch.tv/?video=v2269637128&parent=forums.eveonline.com&autoplay=false ---
**Author:** ![Rhett\_Schouten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rhett_schouten/32/412798_2.png) [@Rhett\_Schouten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rhett_Schouten)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2024, 2:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ariel-rin-and-third-party-development-for-csm19/462992/31 "2024-10-09T14:19:38Z")
> [@Ariel\_Rin](#): > > The Excel Addin that CCP have put all their promotion and effort into, is dead in the water, as it, as with all Third Party Applications it relies on ESI. I was so keen for this add on but it seems that I must subscribe to Microsoft to run it even though I bought a version of excel many years ago, I mean seriously. A complete and utter disappointment. Absolutely hopeless. > [@Ariel\_Rin](#): > > Support Ticket #2270789, Issues logged with the EVE Excel addin, caused by ESI 504 timeouts. EVE Support have denied assistance. Absolutely hopeless. Man reading your reply made me angry. Thanks for your efforts, good luck! ---
**Author:** ![Ariel\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ariel_rin/32/380716_2.png) [@Ariel\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ariel_Rin)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2024, 10:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ariel-rin-and-third-party-development-for-csm19/462992/32 "2024-10-10T10:02:33Z")
> [@Rhett\_Schouten](#): > > must subscribe to Microsoft to run it even though I bought a version of excel many years ago Good news! (Kinda) this might be changing with Office 2024! The tldr is you don’t need to subscribe but you do need to update, which is impossible for 2021 as an update is not available to add the features the excel extension requires. This is likely to ship with the 2024 LTSC/Volume License/Perpetuual/Retail/Education. But we dont know for _sure_ yet. ---
**Author:** ![Gothikia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gothikia/32/387845_2.png) [@Gothikia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gothikia)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2024, 2:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ariel-rin-and-third-party-development-for-csm19/462992/33 "2024-10-10T14:38:36Z")
Due to your championing of ESI, a vital pillar of EVE, you have my vote. ---
**Author:** ![Rhett\_Schouten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rhett_schouten/32/412798_2.png) [@Rhett\_Schouten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rhett_Schouten)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2024, 8:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ariel-rin-and-third-party-development-for-csm19/462992/34 "2024-10-10T20:01:11Z")
> [@Ariel\_Rin](#): > > which is impossible for 2021 as an update is not available to add the features the excel extension requires Yes thank you for acknowledging this, thinking back I’m pretty sure I tried to update, I had a version form something like ten years. Well, HOPEFULLY 2024 will provide an answer. Thanks again for acknowledging the current impossibility. I’m not a huge fan of using add ons outside of EVE to accomplish CORE EVE gameplay ESPECIALLY (as is the case with market trading) you end up needing more than one outside add on, BUT I was willing to and looking forward to the EXCEL add on since it had been custom designed to work with EVE. Which only made it a more bitter experience when I found that I couldn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Ariel\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ariel_rin/32/380716_2.png) [@Ariel\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ariel_Rin)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2024, 11:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ariel-rin-and-third-party-development-for-csm19/462992/35 "2024-10-10T23:43:12Z")
Keep an eye on > **[Excel JavaScript API requirement sets - Office Add-ins](https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/javascript/api/requirement-sets/excel/excel-api-requirement-sets?view=common-js-preview#requirement-set-availability)** > > Office Add-in requirement set information for Excel builds. You (Like many others, myself included), fall into the Volume-Licensed Perpetual column, ---
**Author:** ![Anhees\_Tsasa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anhees_tsasa/32/436563_2.png) [@Anhees\_Tsasa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anhees_Tsasa)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2024, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ariel-rin-and-third-party-development-for-csm19/462992/36 "2024-10-11T17:42:49Z")
Ariel for CSM! ---
**Author:** ![SaiyajiNn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saiyajinn/32/433296_2.png) [@SaiyajiNn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SaiyajiNn)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2024, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ariel-rin-and-third-party-development-for-csm19/462992/37 "2024-10-11T20:48:01Z")
+1 up vote for Ariel ---
**Author:** ![A\_DeflationaryScull](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/a_deflationaryscull/32/360747_2.png) [@A\_DeflationaryScull](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/A_DeflationaryScull)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ariel-rin-and-third-party-development-for-csm19/462992/38 "2024-10-15T14:17:22Z")
Wow, to have someone with this skillset and passion volunteering to get stuck into sorting out neglected issues that will make the game we all love significantly better. Ariel. You have my votes. ---
**Author:** ![Spacetramp\_Drago](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spacetramp_drago/32/480922_2.png) [@Spacetramp\_Drago](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spacetramp_Drago)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ariel-rin-and-third-party-development-for-csm19/462992/39 "2024-10-15T16:06:44Z")
So, someone doing all this out of the goodness of their own heart, and for the community eh? I find it hard to believe that a simple opt out will stop any data scraping of whatever account they have signed up. Sorry, an easy pass. ---
**Author:** ![Ariel\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ariel_rin/32/380716_2.png) [@Ariel\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ariel_Rin)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2024, 7:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ariel-rin-and-third-party-development-for-csm19/462992/40 "2024-10-16T07:25:56Z")
Good news, I don’t actually run the software!, You (or your IT) need to, so I have no access or control over your system at all. All of our code is public, reviewable and fully modifiable by the person running Alliance Auth. But no, im not doing this out of the goodness of my heart, I want more independant entities to fight, eve is a healthier place with more moving parts fighting eachother. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ariel-rin-and-third-party-development-for-csm19/462992.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ariel-rin-and-third-party-development-for-csm19/462992.md?page=3)