# Arrests of Mikramurka Defense Officials **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [July 15, 2019, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436 "2019-07-15T20:39:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/321 "2019-08-23T18:50:20Z")
There’s so much wrong with this response, and yet I’ve literally pointed out every error in this post already today. And this isn’t even the correct topic to be arguing with you–not that you’ve seemed to notice. It’s clear that you’re not listening, and I’m already breaking my own promise of not getting into discussions on the IGS, so I’m dropping this here. If you _want_ the opinions of Clan Ramijozana (_again_) then you can privately mail me, or you can mail Shorai Aikyoraan to reach Tiama Ramijozana. ---
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 8:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/322 "2019-08-28T08:38:59Z")
> Khumatar Allek Berialsh Commends Krusual Tribe for “Work to Enhance Matar Planetary Defense Facilities” Oh he does, does he? Sebiestor get arrested, (then disappeared), for apparent holes in the planetary defence net and _Krusual_ get brought in to replace them? But those Sebiestor were totally at fault WE SWEAR. Further evidence of the parallels between the YC110 purges and the current happenings. > Republic Justice Department Links “Sundsele Six” Transport Attack with Krullefor Organization in Mikramurka The Krullefor’s deep links with the Seykal Thukker provides a pretty strong likelyhood that the Krusual/Thukker conspiracy would turn to them as a (semi-)deniable asset. I’m only surprised it wasn’t the Tronhadar Free Guard on their “winter training”. It does give me hope to see at least one Republic institution is not entirely controlled by the conspirators, > [@Mikramurka Smuggling B\*tches Hunting Party](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/mikramurka-smuggling-b-tches-hunting-party/185218/9): > > An investigation has been opened into the continual flow of leaks, rumor and outright false claims emanating from sources within the RJD. and you’ve certainly got Efrit the Younger’s back up. Why so defensive Kril? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 12:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/323 "2019-08-28T12:27:23Z")
> [@Kalaratiri](#): > > I’m only surprised it wasn’t the Tronhadar Free Guard on their “winter training”. They’ll be needed for the police actions to come. ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 12:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/324 "2019-08-28T12:33:16Z")
> [@Kalaratiri](#): > > It does give me hope to see at least one Republic institution is not entirely controlled by the conspirators Nah, they’ve all been taken over. ---
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 12:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/325 "2019-08-28T12:57:30Z")
I mean, > [@Kalaratiri](#): > > entirely ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 12:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/326 "2019-08-28T12:59:29Z")
Fair enough. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 1:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/327 "2019-08-28T13:01:55Z")
Alright, enough of this cloak and dagger ■■■■. ---
**Author:** ![Cain\_Aloga](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cain_aloga/32/457080_2.png) [@Cain\_Aloga](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cain_Aloga)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 2:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/328 "2019-08-28T14:14:29Z")
The blatant mistrust, paranoia and conspiratorial lunacy is quite frankly tiring. The disregard shown in this thread to the institutions of the Republic, the men and women who work day and night to ensure the safety and stability if the republic is sickening. We can all agree that the attacks were a tragedy that should have been prevented, that they were not, _does require_ an investigation. But how about instead of yelling about conspiracies incoherently, we use our status as capsuleers to support and help the Tribal institutions. Elsebeth’s [post addressing Kril Efrit](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-kril-efrit/186368) is a great example of this. I choose not comment there so as to not bog down her thread, but we should all take note of it. ---
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/329 "2019-08-28T14:24:04Z")
> [@Cain\_Aloga](#): > > The disregard shown in this thread to the institutions of the Republic, the men and women who work day and night to ensure the safety and stability if the republic is sickening. Those are not the men and women I’m worried about. > [@Cain\_Aloga](#): > > We can all agree that the attacks were a tragedy that should have been prevented, that they were not, _does require_ an investigation. But a how about instead of yelling about conspiracies incoherently, we use our status as capsules to support and help the Tribal institutions. This falls apart when the people _performing_ that investigation have something to hide. > [@Cain\_Aloga](#): > > The blatant mistrust, paranoia and conspiratorial lunacy is quite frankly tiring. I suggest getting enough sleep, this isn’t going to stop any time soon. They’ve opened a window, and I don’t see it getting closed again until after someone is thrown out of it. ---
**Author:** ![Cain\_Aloga](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cain_aloga/32/457080_2.png) [@Cain\_Aloga](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cain_Aloga)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/330 "2019-08-28T14:30:06Z")
> [@Kalaratiri](#): > > This falls apart when the people _performing_ that investigation have something to hide. Of course Assistant Director Efrit has something to hide. He works for the RSS’s Clandestine Activity Division for crying out loud. It’s his JOB to hide things. It’s also his job to _protect and ensure_ the safety and freedom of the seven tribes. He hasn’t shown any indication that he is pursuing anything else. You are just yelling becuase he’s some ‘shady krusual’, instigating mistrust between the tribes. There is a discussion to be had whether he is the right person to be in the investigation, but that is a rational discussion I’m not sure you are capable of having right now. ---
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 2:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/331 "2019-08-28T14:32:13Z")
You know who else keeps calling me “irrational” and “lunatic”? ---
**Author:** ![Cain\_Aloga](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cain_aloga/32/457080_2.png) [@Cain\_Aloga](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cain_Aloga)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 2:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/332 "2019-08-28T14:33:15Z")
If the shoe fits. ---
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 2:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/333 "2019-08-28T14:43:28Z")
It’s an easy way to throw doubt on something you don’t like without having to think any harder about it. > “I don’t like what I’m hearing, she must be _crazy_” Apart from suggesting a reality that you find scary, what have I been doing that suggests I am actually, literally, a lunatic? Do I communicate like someone who’s lost their grip on rationality? I do not particularly _want_ the things I fear are happening to be true, but given the circumstances and information we have available to us, neither can I immediately discount them. In that situation, should I rather be loud in the hope of uprooting a sickness growing deep into our political system but _wrong_, or silent and _right_? I know which I think is worse. I know which I am willing to take a chance on. ---
**Author:** ![Cain\_Aloga](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cain_aloga/32/457080_2.png) [@Cain\_Aloga](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cain_Aloga)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 2:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/334 "2019-08-28T14:49:22Z")
> [@Kalaratiri](#): > > Apart from suggesting a reality that you find scary, what have I been doing that suggests I am actually, literally, a lunatic? Do I communicate like someone who’s lost their grip on rationality? You are taking events and making up connections that do not flow logically, with little proof other than “HOW DO YOU NOT SEE THIS!”. The only logic that I see here is “I mustrust them, so of course they are trying to overthrow us.” That is not a rational conclusion to make. The burden of proof lies on you, not on me. Until you can provide that proof you are just spewing hot air. For the record, I am not saying that you have to take it as it is and _not worry_. There are ways to apply pressure that do not destabilize the integrity of the Republic. Your Tribes Chief has already shown that. I do not know the power machinations of the Sebiestor, however you can’t tell me that you can’t work within your clan and tribe to effect _how_ these investigations are proceeding? As it is you are inviting instability by eroding the trust and capacity of the security and justice services, which does a disservice to _everyone._ ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 2:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/335 "2019-08-28T14:59:11Z")
> [@Cain\_Aloga](#): > > It’s his JOB to hide things. It’s also his job to _protect and ensure_ the safety and freedom of the seven tribes. He hasn’t shown any indication that he is pursuing anything else. Then maybe he should stick to doing his job, instead of declaring a matter the Tribal Council deemed to fall under the jurisdiction of the Sebiestor Tribe to be _his_ to investigate, and _threatening_ members of that Tribe who are conducting the investigation _they_, not he, are legally empowered to conduct. ---
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 3:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/336 "2019-08-28T15:05:20Z")
> [@Cain\_Aloga](#): > > The only logic that I see here is “I mustrust them, so of course they are trying to overthrow us.” That is not a rational conclusion to make. The logic is, they’ve done it before and they’re _still doing it._ ---
**Author:** ![Cain\_Aloga](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cain_aloga/32/457080_2.png) [@Cain\_Aloga](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cain_Aloga)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 3:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/337 "2019-08-28T15:06:33Z")
His role in the Matar Planetary Security services inherently makes him involved in the investigation. Can he use more tact when dealing with the tribe and local clans? Sure. Is there a conversation regarding his merits to be on the investigation, also, yes. But as it stands he _is_ involved, and as such he is someone that needs to be worked _with_ not against. He is on the same side as all of us. ---
**Author:** ![Cain\_Aloga](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cain_aloga/32/457080_2.png) [@Cain\_Aloga](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cain_Aloga)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/338 "2019-08-28T15:09:43Z")
> [@Kalaratiri](#): > > they’re _still doing it._ Still doing what? Removing Traitors, collaborators, and otherwise officials that will sell out our people to the enemy? You are _against_ that? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/339 "2019-08-28T15:11:03Z")
No, his role in the Matar Planetary Security services inherently makes him _subordinate to Tribal authorities in this matter_. But don’t take my word for it, listen to [his boss](https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/galactic-hour-news-roundup-death-and-taxes-edition/). > [@](#): > > Responding to the news, Khumatar Allek Berialsh, Matar Planetary Security Co-ordinator, said, “This shocking attack clearly has the aim of thwarting the search for truth and justice over the Sundsele attack. Matar Planetary Security will be **assisting** the Sebiestor Tribe with every means at its disposal.” Emphasis added, obviously. **Assisting** does not mean **threatening**. Which is exactly what he did. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/340 "2019-08-28T15:11:21Z")
> [@Cain\_Aloga](#): > > Removing Traitors, collaborators, and otherwise officials that will sell out our people to the enemy? Are you implying the Sebiestor locals he is trying to remove from their own woods are some of these? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436.md?page=16) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436.md?page=18)