# Arrests of Mikramurka Defense Officials **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [July 15, 2019, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436 "2019-07-15T20:39:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Cain\_Aloga](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cain_aloga/32/457080_2.png) [@Cain\_Aloga](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cain_Aloga)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 3:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/341 "2019-08-28T15:15:33Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > _subordinate to Tribal authorities in this matter_ . As I said, he is _involved_, not in charge of it. For some one who is so carefull about picking apart arguments and going into the minutia of semantics, this time you seemed to have missed your mark. I would suggest that you reread my post. + > [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](#): > > Are you implying the Sebiestor locals he is trying to remove from their own woods are some of these? I am not, although it would appear that Kalaratiri _is_. I was merely responding to her. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 3:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/342 "2019-08-28T15:18:27Z")
> [@Cain\_Aloga](#): > > As I said, he is _involved_ , not in charge of it. For some one who is so carefull about picking apart arguments and going into the minutia of semantics, this time you seemed to have missed your mark. I would suggest that you reread my post. + Your response clearly indicates that his statements on the matter, while tactless, are not a direct violation of Tribal sovereignty, and that they do not indicate that he feels _he_ has the primacy in these matters, rather than the ‘local forces’ against whom he is making his very thinly-veiled threat. He is not in charge, and he would do well to shut his yap before someone shoves his foot in it to the knee. ---
**Author:** ![Cain\_Aloga](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cain_aloga/32/457080_2.png) [@Cain\_Aloga](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cain_Aloga)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 3:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/343 "2019-08-28T15:25:12Z")
If his statements are in direct violation of tribal sovereignty, (Which they very well might be) then it is a matter for your Tribes leadership to bring up with the Tribal council and relevant entities. As a member of the Brutor Tribe, I do not wish to go further than that. However we can both agree that he should revise his manner of addressing local entities. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 3:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/344 "2019-08-28T15:26:01Z")
> [@Cain\_Aloga](#): > > He works for the RSS’s Clandestine Activity Division for crying out loud. It’s his JOB to hide things. And at the moment he’s doing a crap job at it, and the more he tries to push it by force, the crappier it will get. Sorry, but that game’s over. Someone botched, and the whole thing is not exactly [translator: twilight, low light || secret, clandestine, undercover, private] anymore. If it was not his department’s doing, then he probably at least _knows_ what is going on. Again, think of what you will of the rest, Blood Raiders killing thousands on Matar surface is not something that happens without _some_ kind of an inside job, and someone is doing a ■■■■ ton of work to keep the Sebiestor Tribe off the trail, and now RJD is under investigation for disseminating information about it. Something is going on, and asking locals just to _trust_ that outsiders have it well in hand just does not cut it anymoe. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 3:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/345 "2019-08-28T15:29:12Z")
> [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](#): > > Again, think of what you will of the rest, Blood Raiders killing thousands on Matar surface is not something that happens without _some_ kind of an inside job Especially not when their fleet _doesn’t get seen by any of the system’s security measures_. Not even the ones _orbiting Matar_. ---
**Author:** ![Cain\_Aloga](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cain_aloga/32/457080_2.png) [@Cain\_Aloga](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cain_Aloga)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 3:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/346 "2019-08-28T15:33:23Z")
I can largely agree with what you are saying especially regarding what happens planet side, among baseline communities and local clans. What I am asking for, is for us capsuleers to work _With_ our government, are at worst, not _hinder_ their work with baseless accusations. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 3:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/347 "2019-08-28T15:39:30Z")
> [@Cain\_Aloga](#): > > What I am asking for, is for us capsuleers to work _With_ our government, are at worst, not _hinder_ their work with baseless accusations. I am in complete support of this sentiment, and will provide any aid the Sebiestor Tribe’s government asks of me (which I don’t expect to be much, TBH, I mean, who the hell am I?). Past that, they can pound sand until I’ve reason to trust 'em. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 3:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/348 "2019-08-28T15:48:09Z")
> [@Cain\_Aloga](#): > > What I am asking for, is for us capsuleers to work _With_ our government, are at worst, not _hinder_ their work with baseless accusations. Did you read my post to the end? Because this is what I said: > [@An open letter to Kril Efrit](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-kril-efrit/186368/1): > > And yes, if you need something from me, we can talk. You _did_ get my attention, I give you that, though an evemail would have been a preferable way. Set terms by all means, and I will listen and negotiate. Charge me with treason if that is what it takes. And if you need to say something you cannot in public, you know where to reach me. Just understand you can no longer stop this escalation by force, and act accordingly. ---
**Author:** ![Cain\_Aloga](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cain_aloga/32/457080_2.png) [@Cain\_Aloga](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cain_Aloga)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 3:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/349 "2019-08-28T15:49:34Z")
I did. It is for that very reason that I praised it a few posts up. ---
**Author:** ![Pieter\_Tuulinen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pieter_tuulinen/32/155371_2.png) [@Pieter\_Tuulinen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pieter_Tuulinen)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 4:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/350 "2019-08-28T16:51:54Z")
Hey, Arrendis - just a quick note on State politics. The U-Nats are a Federal party, not a State bloc. The three blocs in contention are Patriot, Practical and Liberal. Carry on! ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 4:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/351 "2019-08-28T16:59:40Z")
Fair point, muh-bad. ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 8:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/352 "2019-08-28T20:03:14Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > (which I don’t expect to be much, TBH, I mean, who the hell am I?) You’re Arrendis. Trust me, they talk about you on Matar. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/353 "2019-08-29T07:15:05Z")
I cannot, for the life of me, imagine why. ---
**Author:** ![Claudia\_Osyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/claudia_osyn/32/387939_2.png) [@Claudia\_Osyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Claudia_Osyn)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 9:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/354 "2019-08-29T21:45:42Z")
All those partys where you got blackout drunk. I hear you propositioned a cardboard cut-out of Karin Midular once. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 3:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/355 "2019-08-30T03:55:27Z")
Only once? ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 4:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/356 "2019-08-30T04:09:07Z")
I think Claudia is waiting for an invite. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 5:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/357 "2019-08-30T05:23:49Z")
Also because some people are capsuleer-crazy and think a high-up fringer lives a life of a glorious privateer queen filled with exciting space adventures and dashing but willing kinsmen, rather than of staff meetings and logistics balance books. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 1:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/358 "2019-08-30T13:16:48Z")
> [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](#): > > a high-up fringer lives a life of a glorious privateer queen filled with exciting space adventures and dashing but willing kinsmen, rather than of staff meetings and logistics balance books. Well, that ain’t me! S’all freakin’ paperwork and staff meetings here. Hell, I even have to wear _pants_ for the meetings. It’s so oppressive and tyrannical. ---
**Author:** ![Claudia\_Osyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/claudia_osyn/32/387939_2.png) [@Claudia\_Osyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Claudia_Osyn)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 2:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/359 "2019-08-30T14:26:21Z")
Not pants… 😱 ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 2:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/360 "2019-11-28T14:26:37Z")
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