# Arrests of Mikramurka Defense Officials **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [July 15, 2019, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436 "2019-07-15T20:39:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 6:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/41 "2019-07-16T06:05:37Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Hopefully, that’s what this is. But that can’t be assumed, either. Yet this whole thread is about assuming, and a lot of believing of the assumptions. Look, as said and I’ve previously outlined, I’m all for ousting Shakor, enacting checks and balances across the Tribes (but not so many that the Tribes are unable to act when needed to), but I’m really not into the idea of throwing several Tribes under a grand conspiracy bus, to make it happen. ---
**Author:** ![Seraphea\_Vellastraan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/seraphea_vellastraan/32/297158_2.png) [@Seraphea\_Vellastraan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Seraphea_Vellastraan)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 6:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/42 "2019-07-16T06:06:36Z")
> [@Teinyhr](#): > > I did throw around an idea for a reason for the arrests, it was that maybe there were blood raider collaborators in Sundsele, in the Sebiestor Tribe itself. It’s not like the Sebiestors are any more incorruptible than the rest of us. The idea of any Matari being a Blood Raider or Sani Sabik makes my stomach turn. I’m going to hope and pray it’s just run-of-the-mill dereliction of duty and incompetence. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 6:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/43 "2019-07-16T06:07:13Z")
> [@Seraphea\_Vellastraan](#): > > The idea of any Matari being a Blood Raider or Sani Sabik makes my stomach turn. I’m going to hope and pray it’s just run-of-the-mill dereliction of duty and incompetence. Doesn’t need to be that. Everyone has a price, or so they say. Though, it has to be said that Sanism, for some forsaken reason, seems to have tendrils absolutely everywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 6:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/44 "2019-07-16T06:09:52Z")
> [@Seraphea\_Vellastraan](#): > > The idea of any Matari being a Blood Raider or Sani Sabik isn’t necessary. They only have to be willing to agree to not do their job. For whatever reason. Maybe they had a beef with Rhiannon, or one of the other Clans in the targeted area. Maybe someone higher up cut a deal with Chakaid, and now they’re covering their tracks. Problem is, they’re not going to ever let us review their work. The government will insist we need to just trust them as they investigate their own failure, and then come up with some convenient scapegoat. ---
**Author:** ![Seraphea\_Vellastraan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/seraphea_vellastraan/32/297158_2.png) [@Seraphea\_Vellastraan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Seraphea_Vellastraan)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 6:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/45 "2019-07-16T06:13:22Z")
That would be unacceptable. They need to name and shame and make this all public. I’m actually more worried about Sebiestor Tribe interfering to avoid embarrassment than I am the Sanmatar and Khumatar covering anything up. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 6:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/46 "2019-07-16T06:19:24Z")
You do make equally good counter-assumptions, I must say. If I agree on one thing here, is that I wouldn’t trust Shakor one bit though. The circumstances of his ascension were… Shall we say, “questionable.” So much so that I consider it tainting the birth the Tribal Republic so long as it remaind unaddressed and uninvestigated - though investigating it now, a decade later (or in the future) will be a grandly difficult task. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 6:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/47 "2019-07-16T06:19:44Z")
And what makes you think the Sanmatar won’t cover it up to avoid Sebiestor embarassment and get Midular in his corner? ---
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 6:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/48 "2019-07-16T06:26:52Z")
> [@Seraphea\_Vellastraan](#): > > They need to name and shame and make this all public. Shakor has a long history of killing those who might be in his way just as quickly as he can get his hands on them. ---
**Author:** ![Seraphea\_Vellastraan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/seraphea_vellastraan/32/297158_2.png) [@Seraphea\_Vellastraan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Seraphea_Vellastraan)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 6:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/49 "2019-07-16T06:29:05Z")
When Shakor came to power, I was considerably busy, first being a slave, then being liberated. I do not think it’s possible to argue with his results. Looking back at it, through the distortion of history, I wonder if it was so bad, why Midular didn’t speak out more? Why didn’t the Tribal Chiefs out him? Yes, it was messy, but from my perspective, it was a necessary mess. If a few corrupt, self-serving, politicians had to get murdered to _save my Tribe_ then I can live with that. That doesn’t mean it’s right. It doesn’t make it good. Only means I can live with it. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 6:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/50 "2019-07-16T06:45:49Z")
> [@Seraphea\_Vellastraan](#): > > I wonder if it was so bad It was. I for one, consider mass-murder and installing a puppet a bad way to reform a government. > [@Seraphea\_Vellastraan](#): > > If a few corrupt, self-serving, politicians had to get murdered to _save my Tribe_ then I can live with that. That doesn’t mean it’s right. It doesn’t make it good. Only means I can live with it. The question largely is, was it necessary, were they corrupt? Because they were killed on the spot, and evidence of their corruption is entirely based on some extra-governmental force of an “Elder Network” appearing and saying they were. You can’t interrogate dead people. Also, you might not be understandably aware of this, but the purges happened at the same time with the Elder Fleet descending into Amarr space, which were not, to the best of our knowledge, under the command of the Republic at the time, but the aforementioned “Elder Network.” So their deaths weren’t in any way necessary for your Tribe to live, or at least so it would seem, looking back. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 7:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/51 "2019-07-16T07:00:11Z")
> [@Seraphea\_Vellastraan](#): > > I wonder if it was so bad, why Midular didn’t speak out more? Why didn’t the Tribal Chiefs out him? Because there had been years of efforts to weaken Midular, to paint her as an appeaser because she dealt with the military and political reality she was faced with—a reality, mind you, that she might have been better able to deal with had Shakor and his allies in the Thukker Tribe not been siphoning off Federal aid in sufficient amounts to build the Elder Fleet. Doing that took a lot of resources. Doing it _in secret_ took a lot more than would have been needed if something similar were being done by the Republic instead. And if those resources hadn’t been tied up in _deceiving_ the Minmatar government into not being able to find out where their money was going, your tribe might have been saved _sooner_. Remember, it wasn’t Shakor’s decision to come get you. The SoE blabbed. If they hadn’t, he’d likely have left you all there until the Elder fleet was ‘ready’. It might still not be. > [@Seraphea\_Vellastraan](#): > > If a few corrupt, self-serving, politicians had to get murdered to _save my Tribe_ then I can live with that. They didn’t. Their deaths had nothing to do with it. The Elder Fleet _wasn’t sent by Shakor’s government_. He wasn’t in power then. Shakor becomes Sanmatar _after_ the Elder Fleet is defeated. And, as Teinyhr points out: there’s no _real_ proof they were even corrupt. So the question becomes: ‘If a few thousand innocent people had to die for absolutely no reason involving the rescue of your Tribe…’ Are you still ok with that? Kill whoever you like as long as you can later claim they were the bad guys? ---
**Author:** ![Seraphea\_Vellastraan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/seraphea_vellastraan/32/297158_2.png) [@Seraphea\_Vellastraan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Seraphea_Vellastraan)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 7:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/52 "2019-07-16T07:08:03Z")
> [@Teinyhr](#): > > Also, you might not be understandably aware of this, but the purges happened at the same time with the Elder Fleet descending into Amarr space, which were not, to the best of our knowledge, under the command of the Republic at the time, but the aforementioned “Elder Network.” So their deaths weren’t in any way necessary for your Tribe to live, or at least so it would seem, looking back. Can you back this up? I was always told that the purges were in preparation for the Elder Fleet. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 7:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/53 "2019-07-16T07:11:13Z")
> [@Seraphea\_Vellastraan](#): > > Can you back this up? I was always told that the purges were in preparation for the Elder Fleet. Well, there is this small blurb from The Scope at the time: > **[REPORT: "MASS MURDERS" REPORTED AT MINMATAR REPUBLIC GOVERNMENT FACILITIES -...](https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/report-mass-murders-reported-at-minmatar-republic-government-facilities/)** > > Eve Online is the world's largest MMO RPG universe rich in adventure, as player corporations compete in a massively multiplayer online space game. I’m not surprised if you were told otherwise, maybe your rescuers just wanted your peope to fall in line - the situation was a mess as it was. ---
**Author:** ![Seraphea\_Vellastraan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/seraphea_vellastraan/32/297158_2.png) [@Seraphea\_Vellastraan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Seraphea_Vellastraan)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 7:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/54 "2019-07-16T07:12:58Z")
I am going to have to look into this myself and think. Thank you, Teinyhr. ---
**Author:** ![Jocca\_Quinn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jocca_quinn/32/441838_2.png) [@Jocca\_Quinn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jocca_Quinn)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 11:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/55 "2019-07-16T11:46:58Z")
Jeez we can’t wait to start a family punch up can we? _“Confusion and Disputes Arise Over Arrests of Mikramurka Defense Officials by Matar Planetary Security”_ … there is no mention of which tribe the arrested belong to, are they likely to be Sebiestor? Yes, is it possible they are from any of the other tribes? Also yes Lets have a little more evidence before we sharpen the knives please. ---
**Author:** ![Pol\_Macsliebh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pol_macsliebh/32/376245_2.png) [@Pol\_Macsliebh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pol_Macsliebh)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 12:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/56 "2019-07-16T12:28:15Z")
For the 7 tribes to be unified there has to be some blood… ifs our way. Hopefully soon we can refocus our efforts on the true enemy. ---
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 1:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/57 "2019-07-16T13:12:04Z")
There has _been_ blood. It is on the hands of Shakor, the Thukker, and the Elders. There should not be a need for _more_ Matari blood to be spilled by Matari hands. ---
**Author:** ![Pol\_Macsliebh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pol_macsliebh/32/376245_2.png) [@Pol\_Macsliebh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pol_Macsliebh)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 1:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/58 "2019-07-16T13:16:43Z")
I agree, The blood being spilled should be Amarrian, maybe the Tribes should listen to my Thukker brothers and sisters and stop playing at politics. ---
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 1:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/59 "2019-07-16T13:21:28Z")
The Thukkers _are the ones_ playing politics. Along with the Krusual. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 1:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/60 "2019-07-16T13:24:21Z")
You seem to be obsessed with the Krusual. Did one of them run over your pet when you were little, or something? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436.md?page=4)