# Arrests of Mikramurka Defense Officials **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [July 15, 2019, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436 "2019-07-15T20:39:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/61 "2019-07-16T13:27:59Z")
They’re attacking my Tribe. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 1:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/62 "2019-07-16T13:35:56Z")
You’re attacking my sanity with your ridiculous claims. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 2:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/63 "2019-07-16T14:04:18Z")
> [@Pol\_Macsliebh](#): > > maybe the Tribes should listen to my Thukker brothers and sisters and stop playing at politics Oh Pol. Never change. ---
**Author:** ![Kril\_Efrit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kril_efrit/32/336288_2.png) [@Kril\_Efrit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kril_Efrit)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/64 "2019-07-16T15:12:12Z")
These are very disturbing allegations. If they were true it would be a most serious matter. Obviously, this web of fantasy and delusional slander spun up by a piratical flesh-peddling outlaw is not true. So nobody here has _anything_ to worry about except, perhaps, the scorn of wiser heads among the clans and tribes who know not to take a lead on the security of the Seven Tribes from outcast criminals. Kril Efrit, Matar Planetary Security ---
**Author:** ![Aradina\_Varren](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aradina_varren/32/398702_2.png) [@Aradina\_Varren](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aradina_Varren)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 3:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/65 "2019-07-16T15:17:59Z")
> [@Aradina\_Varren](#): > > I look forward to a disproportionately angry response that doesn’t address anything, and only attempts to discredit the author. Oh look I’m a prophet. ---
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 3:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/66 "2019-07-16T15:19:12Z")
> [@Kril\_Efrit](#): > > These are very disturbing allegations. If they were true it would be a most serious matter. They would, wouldn’t they. > [@Kril\_Efrit](#): > > flesh-peddling I dare you to prove that. > [@Kril\_Efrit](#): > > Obviously, this web of fantasy and delusional slander […] is not true. Of course you’d say that! > [@Kril\_Efrit](#): > > nobody here has _anything_ to worry about Everybody here is a capsuleer and aren’t the people I was worried about in the first place. > [@Kril\_Efrit](#): > > know not to take a lead on the security of the Seven Tribes from outcast criminals. > > Kril Efrit, > Matar Planetary Security I suppose you’d rather everyone just took your word that everything is fine, Mr. Planetary Security, and that all those arrested are totally to blame for the attack? ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 3:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/67 "2019-07-16T15:21:46Z")
> [@Kril\_Efrit](#): > > this web of fantasy and delusional slander spun up by a piratical flesh-peddling outlaw is not true Watch it, brother. This one is _my_ Little Angel. Whatever it is you think of her past, though, it is not _her_ past here that is in question. You cannot simply dismiss legitimate concerns by pointing out that the tribeswoman who first voiced them is a former criminal. But if you want status behind those questions, fine: I ask the same. I am Elsebeth Shaninn. I am of Rhiannon, born Rhiannon. For the past fifteen years I have been among the leadership of Gradient and Electus Matari. I fought in the first slaver wars of independent capsuleers. I commanded the loyal forces in Colelie. I fought in Thebeka. Do you have answers, or just scorn? ---
**Author:** ![Aradina\_Varren](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aradina_varren/32/398702_2.png) [@Aradina\_Varren](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aradina_Varren)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/68 "2019-07-16T15:42:39Z")
To actually make a serious post. This reply is probably the biggest piece of evidence that Kala is completely correct. ---
**Author:** ![Gan\_Asbjordja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gan_asbjordja/32/167905_2.png) [@Gan\_Asbjordja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gan_Asbjordja)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/69 "2019-07-16T15:42:56Z")
> [@Kril\_Efrit](#): > > Obviously, this web of fantasy and delusional slander spun up by a piratical flesh-peddling outlaw is not true. Careful, cousin; this sort of phrasing looks like some of the best proof it might actually be true in this thread yet. ---
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 3:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/70 "2019-07-16T15:46:56Z")
I will add, this is the third time some Krusual has called me some derivation of “delusional” or “slanderous”, and the third time they haven’t presented a single piece of evidence to prove me wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Karmilla\_Strife](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karmilla_strife/32/439678_2.png) [@Karmilla\_Strife](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karmilla_Strife)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 4:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/71 "2019-07-16T16:03:26Z")
Which Gravball team is going to win the Haysid Cup? ---
**Author:** ![Aradina\_Varren](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aradina_varren/32/398702_2.png) [@Aradina\_Varren](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aradina_Varren)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/72 "2019-07-16T16:04:53Z")
Whichever ones have red uniforms. ---
**Author:** ![Sesli\_Ashok](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sesli_ashok/32/267073_2.png) [@Sesli\_Ashok](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sesli_Ashok)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 4:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/73 "2019-07-16T16:25:07Z")
> [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](#): > > I am Elsebeth Shaninn. I am of Rhiannon, born Rhiannon. Oi, vinegar lips, I heard those names don’t count for much down on the old Mikramurka coast these days! You can have that tip for free, it’s just something I picked up by way of a few old mates on the scene. xoxox Sesli PS. I can’t stop laughing. ---
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/74 "2019-07-16T16:28:50Z")
> [@Sesli\_Ashok](#): > > xoxox > > Sesli So, out of interest, what _did_ you and ol’ Zashev talk about during all that time in your romantic Wildlands retreat? Considering your histories I doubt it was knitting patterns. He put you in contact with any “old mates” by any chance? ---
**Author:** ![Anna\_Stjornauga](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anna_stjornauga/32/377304_2.png) [@Anna\_Stjornauga](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anna_Stjornauga)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 4:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/75 "2019-07-16T16:31:18Z")
Rhiannon suffered much from the failure of the Matar Orbital Defense Network. Stjörnauga shares Rhiannon’s concerns, and our Chieftain, Tarn Stjörnauga, will be bringing those concerns to Chief Acassa Midular. But he has had these words for those within our Clan who have lept to judgment. I share them now, that his wisdom might help more of our people: > [@Tarn Stjörnauga](#): > > This is not the time for us to be tearing one another down. Arrests have been made. Specific charges must be brought. In light of the Shakorite history of swift, violent action without due process, there must be a public accounting. Anything less than fully public proceedings, where all of the evidence can be seen and understood, will only fan the flames of conspiracy theorists and anarchists. Swift reprisals, undertaken as deterrant against future failures, will only appear to confirm the madness of suspicion and paranoia about the government of Maleatu Shakor. That way lies public unrest—we are, after all, a people given to… insurrection. > > Clan Stjörnauga has complete confidence that the Sanmatar, the Khumatar, and Republic Security Services, are wise enough to see that this must be the case. The Sanmatar would not be idiot enough to attempt summary executions again, or other questionable tactics. The RSS would never countenance foolishly overzealous agents using lethal force to prevent an ‘escape attempt’ that no-one else can verify. Allek Berialsh knows our people well enough to know that anything that smells of attempts to lay the blame for the deaths on Matar at the feet of the Sebiestor Tribe can only cause more hardship throughout the Republic. > > We are Stjörnauga. We will remain watchful. We will remain vigilant. But we will not be fools. And with the spirits’ guidance, neither will those in high places, who have the most to lose. Let us hope my uncle’s words can help us all navigate these troubled times. ---
**Author:** ![Jocca\_Quinn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jocca_quinn/32/441838_2.png) [@Jocca\_Quinn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jocca_Quinn)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/76 "2019-07-16T17:00:14Z")
> [@Sesli\_Ashok](#): > > Oi, vinegar lips Oh crap. ---
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/77 "2019-07-16T17:16:53Z")
> [@Sesli\_Ashok](#): > > PS. I can’t stop laughing. > Republic Justice Department Opens Investigation Into Seykal Clan Over Wanted Slaver Orlon Zashev > Sanmatar Shakor was accorded emergency powers by the Tribal Council for the co-ordination and command of all Minmatar Republic defense, security and public order agencies. ■■■■■. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/78 "2019-07-16T17:58:45Z")
> [@Sesli\_Ashok](#): > > PS. I can’t stop laughing. Laugh, little sister, while you can. I have little confidence in my government at the moment. I have full confidence in _our people_ though. And in the long run, I am confident our people look much less kindly to dealing with the Enemy for isk than they do to speaking out loud. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 10:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/79 "2019-07-16T22:49:08Z")
> [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](#): > > dealing with the Enemy for isk I think you mean ‘selling out our justice for Amarr gold’. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 11:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/80 "2019-07-16T23:07:09Z")
> [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](#): > > Whatever it is you think of her past, though, it is not _her_ past here that is in question. You cannot simply dismiss legitimate concerns by pointing out that the tribeswoman who first voiced them is a former criminal. Actually, her past is very much in question. If not hers, then whose? The Krusual, I’ll state again, have done historically more for the Minmatar people than you or me, or her. _She_ is a “little Angel”, and now, because she’s with you, she’s supposedly - all good, can do no wrong? Vouching for people means putting your own reputation on the line, so you sure you want to bet on that horse? From where I stand, I’m looking at her throwing accusations based very little on any facts we have on hand and more just airing out her own prejudices. If that is the modus operandi of the times, then, I must suspect, perhaps she herself has some sort of discord-sowing agenda? Maybe in relation to her former, ah, acquaintances? Who is to say _she_ doesn’t have some blooder contacts? After all, for Angels, it’s all just business. And she is _awfully_ adamant in throwing shade everywhere, kind of like trying to cover her own tracks? As for “legitimate concerns”, I’m legitimately concerned that you actually encourage this hate campaign in any way. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436.md?page=5)