# Arrests of Mikramurka Defense Officials **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [July 15, 2019, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436 "2019-07-15T20:39:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 7:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/101 "2019-07-17T19:12:04Z")
> [@Teinyhr](#): > > But I always keep getting told I read too much from between the lines! Sigh. There’s a middle ground? > [@Anna\_Stjornauga](#): > > You clearly have not the wit to understand our Chieftain’s advice. But I do have the wit to not respond like a stage actor. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 7:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/102 "2019-07-17T19:13:01Z")
I think what Anna’s saying is that Chief Tarn was offering something of a veiled threat. He’s less likely to have to eat his words and more likely to call for Stjörnauga to begin a Clan-wide strike. Which might be hard on the RSS stations where we keep the air moving. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 7:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/103 "2019-07-17T19:16:32Z")
> [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](#): > > There’s a middle ground? Hard to find, as can be seen from this very thread. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 7:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/104 "2019-07-17T19:17:27Z")
> [@Anna\_Stjornauga](#): > > You clearly have not the wit to understand our Chieftain’s advice. Sisters, not with each other. > [@Arrendis](#): > > a Clan-wide strike [—] on the RSS stations where we keep the air moving. And they call me a troublemaker. ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 7:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/105 "2019-07-17T19:20:27Z")
I understood from Chief Tarn’s statement that if Shakor and Berialsh do not furnish full and transparent trials for those Mikramurka Defense officials who were arrested, then the clan would call them out on it. If that’s what you’re referring to, then sure, I got it. The problem is that he started off on a terrible foot by suggesting that some of us here are idiots for thinking that there _won’t_ be due process. My response is that he’d better start sharpening the knives, because there _will not be charges issued_ and _there will not be any trials_. Or, if there are, they’ll be held by a kangaroo court with less authority than Anna’s beloved period dramas. This is exactly why I said ol’ Uncle Tarn’s gonna eat his words: He may think we’re being silly now, but in just a couple of months, he’ll be right next to my Chief Tiama as we march on the Tribal Council. It’s a matter of time, but time’s what we don’t have when there’s a tyrant eating souls for power. (Edits: Clarified whose statement I’m talking about and fixed a tense.) ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 7:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/106 "2019-07-17T19:25:12Z")
Tarn Stjörnauga don’t screw around, in my experience. Man of careful words, and hammerfisted action. Now, I can’t say a Clan-wide strike is in his plans. But it wouldn’t surprise me, is all. It’s the _sort_ of protest move he’d make. > [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](#): > > The problem is that he started off on a terrible foot by suggesting that some of us here are idiots for thinking that there _won’t_ be due process. No, he started off saying basically ‘c’mon, he wouldn’t do _that_. _That_ would be stupid. And I’m sure not calling him stupid. You’re not a smooth-brained moron, are ya Mally?’ The only people he _called_ fools are the people actively showing their hands. And from what my mother tells me, this was something he addressed to the _Clan_, and shouldn’t have been freaking _ **shared** _. Loose lips, and all. But clearly _ **someone** _ is an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Anna\_Stjornauga](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anna_stjornauga/32/377304_2.png) [@Anna\_Stjornauga](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anna_Stjornauga)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 7:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/107 "2019-07-17T19:26:46Z")
Shut your flapping gums, you faithless mongrel. And what in the void is a ‘period drama’? ---
**Author:** ![Seraphea\_Vellastraan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/seraphea_vellastraan/32/297158_2.png) [@Seraphea\_Vellastraan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Seraphea_Vellastraan)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 7:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/108 "2019-07-17T19:28:36Z")
> [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](#): > > He may think we’re being silly now, but in just a couple of months, he’ll be right next to my Chief Tiama as we march on the Tribal Council. I really cannot believe what I just read. Really? You’re ready to start a civil war over a few arrest? ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 7:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/109 "2019-07-17T19:36:15Z")
No, I’m ready to restructure the Republic government such that we _avoid_ these types of tyrants in the future, over a few arrests that were made as yet another power grab in an attempt to subdue the Sebiestor Tribe. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 7:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/110 "2019-07-17T19:42:56Z")
> [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](#): > > over a few arrests that were made as yet another power grab in an attempt to subdue the Sebiestor Tribe. Can we get some ■■■■■■■ evidence up in this ■■■■■? Just because you keep parroting this, doesn’t make it true. ---
**Author:** ![Anna\_Stjornauga](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anna_stjornauga/32/377304_2.png) [@Anna\_Stjornauga](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anna_Stjornauga)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 8:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/111 "2019-07-17T20:19:26Z")
There are mountains of evidence, but I’m afraid we can’t show it to _you_ > [@Teinyhr](#): > > for national security reasons Which, I’m sure, you’ll be completely fine with. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 8:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/112 "2019-07-17T20:21:16Z")
> [@Seraphea\_Vellastraan](#): > > You’re ready to start a civil war Why are you people constantly talking about a civil war? The only folks marching around with weapons are the Krusual and they claim it was an exercise. Are you so scared of a few Seb asking some questions that you immediately think it is _a war_ if we do? Also, no, we still cannot afford a civil war. The Amarr Empire would have a field day. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 8:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/113 "2019-07-17T20:21:19Z")
Can you please get ■■■■■■ already? > [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](#): > > Are you so scared of a few Seb asking some questions that you immediately think it is _a war_ if we do? Well, if your tone was less belligerent, maybe not. "Only folks around with weapons are Krusual, this is a conspiracy to kill Sebiestors, because Krusual are untrustworthy and evil and " There’s exactly one party here that’s been acting threateningly, propagating hate speech here this whole time, and it’s you and your pets. So yeah, you three don’t exactly come off as with the most honest and peaceful of intentions yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Seraphea\_Vellastraan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/seraphea_vellastraan/32/297158_2.png) [@Seraphea\_Vellastraan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Seraphea_Vellastraan)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 8:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/114 "2019-07-17T20:23:44Z")
Your Tribeswoman was the one talking about _marching_ on the Tribal Council. That’s got a certain image. And what do you mean ‘you people’ ? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/115 "2019-07-17T20:28:50Z")
> [@Seraphea\_Vellastraan](#): > > And what do you mean ‘you people’ ? I believe she means the 2nd person plural qualifier, as in ‘people who are not me’. > [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](#): > > Why are you people constantly talking about a civil war? Yeah, gotta agree with Sera on this one, Else. Mel there _was_ pretty openly talking about marching on the Tribal Council. That’s kinda more than ‘asking questions’. > [@Teinyhr](#): > > Can you please get ■■■■■■ already? Stars below, who’d want to bed that kind of road rage? ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/116 "2019-07-17T20:37:06Z")
> [@Seraphea\_Vellastraan](#): > > Your Tribeswoman was the one talking about _marching_ on the Tribal Council. That’s got a certain image. > [@Arrendis](#): > > Yeah, gotta agree with Sera on this one, Else. Mel there _was_ pretty openly talking about marching on the Tribal Council. That’s kinda more than ‘asking questions’. Wooooooow. How are any of you going from “marching” to “war” here? Marching is a perfectly acceptable form of protest, and can be done peacefully–in fact, could be argued as being more effective when done peacefully. Is anyone going to address the real comment I made: > [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](#): > > It’s time for Maleatu Shakor to leave office. or should I stop wasting my time and ■■■■ off from this thread now? ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/117 "2019-07-17T20:37:55Z")
> [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](#): > > Is anyone going to address the real comment I made: Generally people rarely comment on things they agree on. ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 8:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/118 "2019-07-17T20:38:29Z")
I specifically asked for comments. Instead, people want to fabricate ■■■■■■■■ because I suggested marching. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 8:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/119 "2019-07-17T20:38:54Z")
> [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](#): > > people want to fabricate ■■■■■■■■ Imagine that. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 8:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436/120 "2019-07-17T20:46:02Z")
> [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](#): > > It’s time for Maleatu Shakor to leave office. Not gonna happen. We all know it. So why call for a chorus of people to support something we know won’t happen? Those in power seek to keep power. Everything he’s done has been about consolidating power. Now he’s been given direct control of all Republic law enforcement apparatus. And you want people to stand up and say ‘Dear Mr. Sanmatar, please send the RSS to black bag my cousins in the night’. Are you really surprised when they don’t leap at the chance to get their families killed? Maybe some fabricated evidence left behind about how they were secretly in cahoots with Karsoth and the blo- . . . _Son of a…_ [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arrests-of-mikramurka-defense-officials/175436.md?page=7)