# Astra House not a good replacement for POS's **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 12, 2017, 12:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/astra-house-not-a-good-replacement-for-poss/23674 "2017-09-12T00:52:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 4:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/astra-house-not-a-good-replacement-for-poss/23674/61 "2017-09-13T16:52:26Z")
> [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](#): > > POS’s where designed to be corporate assets (notice how you can only launch them for corp, not for yourself?) unless youre a one person corp and then its for yourself > [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](#): > > Capitals where designed to be corporate assets ive never seen any evidence to support that claim personally a solo industrialist has always been able to build and fly one ---
**Author:** ![Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bjorn_tyrson/32/371958_2.png) [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bjorn_Tyrson)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 4:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/astra-house-not-a-good-replacement-for-poss/23674/62 "2017-09-13T16:58:01Z")
just because you CAN do something, does not mean that is what it was designed for. you can pvp in a skiff, surprisingly well in fact, doesn’t mean thats what it was designed to do. Battle badgers used to be a thing, and where surprisingly nasty. doesn’t mean that they where designed for pvp. people live in wormholes, they where never designed for that. hell, in theory a one man corp could hold sov over an entire region, doesn’t mean that was ever the intended design behind the system. up until recently, capital ships REQUIRED at least one other character just to move from system to system, yes that is normally done with alts, but its obvious that the original design intention was for group play. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 4:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/astra-house-not-a-good-replacement-for-poss/23674/63 "2017-09-13T16:59:22Z")
> [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](#): > > up until recently, capital ships REQUIRED at least one other character just to move from system to system oh i guess the playstyle was changed then to something more suitable for the solo player ---
**Author:** ![Beachura](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beachura/32/16655_2.png) [@Beachura](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beachura)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/astra-house-not-a-good-replacement-for-poss/23674/64 "2017-09-13T17:00:58Z")
_Boom_ ---
**Author:** ![Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bjorn_tyrson/32/371958_2.png) [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bjorn_Tyrson)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 5:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/astra-house-not-a-good-replacement-for-poss/23674/65 "2017-09-13T17:03:32Z")
> [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > > [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](#): > > > > up until recently, capital ships REQUIRED at least one other character just to move from system to system > > oh > i guess the playstyle was changed then > to something more suitable for the solo player yes, it did, it made capitals more viable for solo play. the change to citadels has increased the price tag, and pushed things back towards group play. whats your point? if you want to keep your capital safe with a POS, you can keep it in a small pos without the ability to change ships, you put it in the shield and safe log for ~1bil. if you want to keep a capital safe and not be able to change ships with a citadel, you drop an astrahaus, tether and safe log. if you want the added luxury of more security and the convenience of changing ships, then you pay a little more and drop a fort. a solo player CAN do that, nothing is stopping them except the price tag. just like nothing is stopping a solo player from building and flying a capital, except the price tag. ---
**Author:** ![Ptraci](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ptraci/32/18349_2.png) [@Ptraci](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ptraci)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 5:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/astra-house-not-a-good-replacement-for-poss/23674/66 "2017-09-13T17:18:03Z")
> [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > so thats your argument That’s not _my_ argument. That’s the argument that started this entire thread. > [@Etheoma](#): > > s I see it due to the loss of being able to fit capitals in a astra you are losing functionality Learn to detect sarcasm in posts. Of course since this entire thread was started on a false premise, everything that follows… ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_Bags](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/joey_bags/32/18554_2.png) [@Joey\_Bags](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Joey_Bags)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/astra-house-not-a-good-replacement-for-poss/23674/67 "2017-09-13T18:12:53Z")
Need to refit capital ship while docked at an Asterhaus? Use a mobile depot or for really quick refitting, use a Nestor. Or use a Fortizar. Or stop flying capitals. They are supposed to have some inherent weaknesses. ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 8:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/astra-house-not-a-good-replacement-for-poss/23674/68 "2017-09-13T20:02:02Z")
> [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > yeah thats true but still doesnt explain why there is so much hostility for the idea which allows more accessibility for players to use caps It’s not hostility though. These people just are not convinced that it is needed (more accessibility for players to use caps). And the fear of additional hurdle which comes with implementation of such thing. > [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > well 2-3 billion isnt exactly much for a single player > > 12 billion is quite a lot though > > a small corp of 2-3 players is going to struggle more to get the larger citadel without joining a larger corp > > so yeah theyre little guys Usually you don’t have all your money in 1 ship so i would say that this is not unreal to expect like 5-6 billion in wallet if you have carrier. And in this case Fortizar does not look like “too expeisive” for 2-3 players… Yes, it’s investment but… Personally i don’t like Astrahusii for they are cheap and boring to kill. The cluster is already overfilled by cheap “houses” which nobody cares to attack. Adding more features to them does not help. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 8:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/astra-house-not-a-good-replacement-for-poss/23674/69 "2017-09-13T20:07:30Z")
> [@March\_rabbit](#): > > These people just are not convinced that it is needed because they dont need it themselves > [@March\_rabbit](#): > > Personally i don’t like Astrahusii for they are cheap and boring to kill. The cluster is already overfilled by cheap “houses” which nobody cares to attack. Adding more features to them does not help. arent fortizars even more boring to kill ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 8:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/astra-house-not-a-good-replacement-for-poss/23674/70 "2017-09-13T20:12:57Z")
> [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > arent fortizars even more boring to kill They are. But you get KM worth some billions (more than 10?) and not pathetic couple hundred millions… ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 10:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/astra-house-not-a-good-replacement-for-poss/23674/71 "2017-09-13T22:02:02Z")
Contact The Judge if you want to have whole, unscathed citadel of your enemy. ---
**Author:** ![Problem\_Addict](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/problem_addict/32/24121_2.png) [@Problem\_Addict](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Problem_Addict)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 10:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/astra-house-not-a-good-replacement-for-poss/23674/72 "2017-09-13T22:50:48Z")
OK so SOME people feel that there is NO need to have a place for a single solo pilot to safely dock his singular capital ship. Sadly, this is suppose to be a game that doesn’t pidgeon hole it’s player base into playing the way the “majority” of the game feels it should be done. To appropriately allow player freedom, what this game is built on, the ability for a singular player to have an affordable opportunity to store his ships, including capitals is a necessity. Removing POS’s with zero way for a single player to store his capital without needing to front 11billion ISK is DETRIMENTAL to the game. It only TAKES AWAY and adds NOTHING. ---
**Author:** ![Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bjorn_tyrson/32/371958_2.png) [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bjorn_Tyrson)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 11:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/astra-house-not-a-good-replacement-for-poss/23674/73 "2017-09-13T23:00:13Z")
You already have a safe way to store your capital. Tether and safe-log. In fact it’s even safer than in a citadel, because a citadel can be destroyed a logged out ship cannot be. Want to fly other ships and not be locked into your cap for life? Back in the day before capitals could dock. There where these things called cap sitters. It’s an alt trained up with the bare minimum skills to sit in a capital and all they do is hold it logged off while not needed. Takes 2-3 months of training to set one up, so 3-4.5 bil to plex the account till its ready abother bIL in skill books. And even better, with skill extractors you can even farm the account once it’s trained up which will cover the cost of the sub for you and even fetch a small profit, eventually paying for itself. There you go. A completely safe way to store your capital when not in use, that costs half as much as a fort, and will eventually pay for itself completely. ---
**Author:** ![Problem\_Addict](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/problem_addict/32/24121_2.png) [@Problem\_Addict](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Problem_Addict)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2017, 11:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/astra-house-not-a-good-replacement-for-poss/23674/74 "2017-09-13T23:29:25Z")
Not preferable. “Another Character” should never be the answer. ---
**Author:** ![Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bjorn_tyrson/32/371958_2.png) [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bjorn_Tyrson)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2017, 12:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/astra-house-not-a-good-replacement-for-poss/23674/75 "2017-09-14T00:17:13Z")
Another character isn’t a requirement in any way. But it is an option. Want to put your capital somewhere safe, fortizar let’s you do that with solid defenses and the ability to switch ships. But it will cost you 12 bil. Want your cap safe but don’t want to spend a lot of isk. Tether to an Astra and safe log. Only costs 1b but you won’t be able to switch ships. Want to keep your cap safe, don’t want to spend 12 bil on a fort, but you want to be able to switch ships. Use a cap sitter alt. For 4 or 5 bil, that will eventually completely pay for itself even faster if you also use it for PI. There are a variety of options available for all price points. The more convenience you want, the more expensive it gets. ---
**Author:** ![Ptraci](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ptraci/32/18349_2.png) [@Ptraci](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ptraci)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2017, 12:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/astra-house-not-a-good-replacement-for-poss/23674/76 "2017-09-14T00:34:15Z")
> [@Problem\_Addict](#): > > “Another Character” should never be the answer. It’s the choice you make when you want a capital ship. What the heck does a solo player need a capital ship for anyway? Ohhhhh wait, I see. You want to carrier rat and make a lot of isk per hour and then have somewhere to hide when the bad guys come around. You want to mine in your Rorqual and gobble up a bunch of ore and then have somewhere to hide when the bad guys come around. So essentially you are whining that you want to be able to take advantage of capital ships and boosted income, but you’re too cheap to pay for the structure that was designed for docking capital ships. Sounds a lot like “I want my cake and I want to eat it too!”. Why don’t you - I dunno - find some like-minded people in this **multiplayer** game and you all can rat or mine or ship spin to your heart’s delight - heck you might even be enough to scare the baddies away. And with all that insane isk you’re making together, you can pay for the structure you’re supposed to use. Instead of asking CCP to break their game balance for you. You know I would favor a structure that allows capital docking for solo players on the condition that it has **no** reinforcement/vulnerability timer. Heck, give it even more hit points if you want. But give it no timer so little rats don’t have a 100% safe bolt-hole if someone serious wants to grind them out of existence. ---
**Author:** ![Coralas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/coralas/32/11762_2.png) [@Coralas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Coralas)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2017, 3:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/astra-house-not-a-good-replacement-for-poss/23674/77 "2017-09-14T03:59:32Z")
> [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > > [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](#): > > > > up until recently, capital ships REQUIRED at least one other character just to move from system to system > > oh > i guess the playstyle was changed then > to something more suitable for the solo player over my memory of the last few years, capitals have received lots of positive enhancements. capitals can gate capitals have more capital specific modules now, ie capital injectors and prop mods, dreads can execute sliding sieges etc. capital logi class. capitals have t2 and faction modules now capitals have anti-subcap weapons. capitals rat much better than they did 3 or 4 years ago capital rats exist which is basically an instant money injection to capital pilots whenever they spawn capital mining ships are real now, instead of pos ornaments. return of aoe weapons uber range on carriers, combined with forts and keeps being 1000km from gates. supercap docks that even work in lowsec. On the negative side space cancer from using the jump drive will not be able to live in a small pos forever. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2017, 7:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/astra-house-not-a-good-replacement-for-poss/23674/78 "2017-09-14T07:01:38Z")
> [@Ptraci](#): > > little rats yeah youve already made it obvious your only argument is that you hate people in smaller corps than you you dont need to keep driving the point home youve been quite clear about your irrational hatred for people who play the game differently i also suspect it has something to do with protecting your own income so its nothing important ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2017, 11:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/astra-house-not-a-good-replacement-for-poss/23674/79 "2017-09-14T11:01:19Z")
> [@Problem\_Addict](#): > > To appropriately allow player freedom, what this game is built on, the ability for a singular player to have an affordable opportunity to store his ships, including capitals is a necessity. “Player freedom” and “affordable stuff” are not related to each other. In this particular case nobody takes away your _freedom_ of using any ship you want. You still can. It was made harder but it still possible. ---
**Author:** ![Ptraci](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ptraci/32/18349_2.png) [@Ptraci](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ptraci)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2017, 12:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/astra-house-not-a-good-replacement-for-poss/23674/80 "2017-09-14T12:08:38Z")
> [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > yeah youve already made it obvious your only argument is that you hate people in smaller corps than you My corp has 7 people. All of them are me. There are no smaller corps than me. > [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > irrational hatred for people who play the game differently I have no irrational hatred for people who play the game differently. I **do** dislike people who want the game developers to _change_ the game to suit _their_ playstyle, however. > [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > i also suspect it has something to do with protecting your own income so its nothing important Wrong again. Believe it or not I am trying to help you and save you from yourself. Do you know that many years ago I used to hate goons and others for events like _Hulkageddon_ and _Burn Jita_ and general ganking and antisocial behavior in high sec - back when I was an ice miner? Now I realize they did me the biggest favor ever. They’re still jerks - but I get the point they were making. EVE is a multiplayer game whether you like it or not. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/astra-house-not-a-good-replacement-for-poss/23674.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/astra-house-not-a-good-replacement-for-poss/23674.md?page=5)