# Astra House not a good replacement for POS's **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 12, 2017, 12:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/astra-house-not-a-good-replacement-for-poss/23674 "2017-09-12T00:52:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2017, 12:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/astra-house-not-a-good-replacement-for-poss/23674/81 "2017-09-14T12:10:19Z")
lol how are you saving me from myself ptraci ---
**Author:** ![Ptraci](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ptraci/32/18349_2.png) [@Ptraci](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ptraci)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2017, 12:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/astra-house-not-a-good-replacement-for-poss/23674/82 "2017-09-14T12:15:49Z")
> [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > lol how are you saving me from myself ptraci If you have to ask that you haven’t been reading my posts. By suggesting you integrate into a larger EVE community instead and/or adapt to EVE Online instead of pretending it should be adapted to suit you. Things change. The rules change. CCP changes. Adapt. Or die. It’s the story of life, really. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2017, 12:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/astra-house-not-a-good-replacement-for-poss/23674/83 "2017-09-14T12:20:19Z")
im not pretending it should be adapted to suit me i already told you i dont fly caps or own poses i just found your hostility towards the op interesting when you had absolutely no argument against their idea and then i called you an elitist brat and you started clutching at straws to make it seem like you have a valid explanation for your hostility which you dont ive only seen one valid opposition to the op in this thread and that was march rabbit when he said astrahauses are too boring to kill relative to the value of the km its not much of an argument but its better than anything youve come up with ---
**Author:** ![Wolfgang\_Jannesen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wolfgang_jannesen/32/496726_2.png) [@Wolfgang\_Jannesen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wolfgang_Jannesen)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2017, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/astra-house-not-a-good-replacement-for-poss/23674/84 "2017-09-14T15:28:33Z")
In my opinion the existence of Fortizars and keepstars makes the need to dock capitals in an Astrahaus totally unnecessary and I don’t think any changes need to be made. Other players are right, if you can’t afford a Fortizar I don’t think you’re going to afford the capital fleet you want to park in it and tethering + safe log offs is even safer than docking in a citadel. The other advantages of citadels over classic POS’s makes them better utility hubs for null and wormhole operations as well. ---
**Author:** ![Problem\_Addict](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/problem_addict/32/24121_2.png) [@Problem\_Addict](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Problem_Addict)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2017, 1:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/astra-house-not-a-good-replacement-for-poss/23674/85 "2017-09-15T01:38:12Z")
How is it changing the game to fit “their” playstyle? That’s how the game was! The developers changed the game from a solo person being able to place a POS for less than a billion and store his capital/super to needing a 12billion isk investment to accomplish the same task while making itself an even bigger target. The developers CHANGED the game to fit THEIR playstyle. P.S. I’m in a corporation that has access to fortizars. I have places to store my capitals. I’m thinking outside of my personal experience and considering those who might wish to participate in a playstyle that is different than mine, a playstyle that will no longer be possible after CCP removes the player ability to place a POS. ---
**Author:** ![Problem\_Addict](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/problem_addict/32/24121_2.png) [@Problem\_Addict](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Problem_Addict)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2017, 1:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/astra-house-not-a-good-replacement-for-poss/23674/86 "2017-09-15T01:45:55Z")
People saying safe log tethered to an astrahus, what happens when you log back in and the astrahus is bubbled? ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2017, 5:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/astra-house-not-a-good-replacement-for-poss/23674/87 "2017-09-15T05:44:19Z")
I believe you get bubbled. Similar to log in to POS under siege and covered by bubbles. The only difference i see is that citadels have bigger tether area and it is more difficult to be fully covered by bubbles. And if citadel has any defences and person to use it bubbling it would be impossible. ---
**Author:** ![Problem\_Addict](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/problem_addict/32/24121_2.png) [@Problem\_Addict](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Problem_Addict)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2017, 6:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/astra-house-not-a-good-replacement-for-poss/23674/88 "2017-09-15T06:07:30Z")
so what happens if you store your capital into a POS ship maintenance array and log out and your POS is bubbled when you come back in? Is your capital still safe in the POS ship maintenance array? See ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2017, 11:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/astra-house-not-a-good-replacement-for-poss/23674/89 "2017-09-15T11:40:21Z")
I’m not sure but i think it is. ---
**Author:** ![Etheoma](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etheoma/32/23533_2.png) [@Etheoma](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etheoma)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2017, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/astra-house-not-a-good-replacement-for-poss/23674/90 "2017-09-17T12:40:03Z")
> [@Ptraci](#): > > The functionality is that many are comparing a small tower with a Fortizar. I am not comparing a small pos to a fort, I am actually saying the opposite that a Fort is actually a replacement for outposts and keepstars are just next level beyond outposts as you can dock super caps which is extra functionality and Astra’s are a replacement for all the POS’s which had a variability in how featured they would be, what I suggest is adding back in some of that veritably rather than having a one size fits all approach, So the astra with the cap service would be your replacement for large POS with a cap SMA. And as I said all you need to to remove the safety it could potentially give you is that anything in the cap service hanger gets dropped just like a cap SMA which seems fair considering the cap SMA dropped it’s items. And no your ships wouldn’t be safe in a POS this way they would not be safe in a Astra either. > [@Problem\_Addict](#): > > so what happens if you store your capital into a POS ship maintenance array and log out and your POS is bubbled when you come back in? > > Is your capital still safe in the POS ship maintenance array? > > See Well I already kind of replied to that but you can safe log inside inside a bubble I am fairly sure, also again you can just use a 500MN cruiser to bump off a cap if it is tethered, tbh a safespot is more secure than tethering, also again if you simply make anything in the cap service drop it is as insecure as a POS. ---
**Author:** ![Etheoma](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etheoma/32/23533_2.png) [@Etheoma](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etheoma)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2017, 12:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/astra-house-not-a-good-replacement-for-poss/23674/91 "2017-09-17T12:43:28Z")
> [@Juvir\_Shadowborne](#): > > If you don’t want to invest in a fortizar, don’t try to dock your caps, simple solution. It sounds like you’re poking into other people’s holes, and trying to farm their stuff under their noses, but don’t want to invest in actually “staying”. But you want the defenses of a citadel, dockability of a fortizar, at the pricetag of a astrahus. Actually no I kicked out there people who lived there and they transferred there Astra’s to me in exchange we contracted a astra we were going to put down and paid off the cost of the other. ---
**Author:** ![Etheoma](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etheoma/32/23533_2.png) [@Etheoma](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etheoma)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2017, 1:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/astra-house-not-a-good-replacement-for-poss/23674/92 "2017-09-17T13:16:33Z")
> [@Ptraci](#): > > Talk about removing functionality. Difference between that and this is that CCP said they were going to keep the all the functionality of POS’s, they never said they were going to keep the functionality of the watch list, in fact from the outset they said they were going to change it, if CCP came out and said “no… and this is the reason why…” I would be like ok w.e. I don’t like it but it is what it is. But as long as CCP is portending they are keeping all the functionality I will bring up that they are not, and ways that they could add the functionality back without breaking the system. Pleas take note that I have suggested balancing it by High service cost Consumes fuel Limited space Drops everything in the cap service hanger if the cit is destroyed “Also I think it should be on the killmail” If you don’t have the service you cannot even dock caps If you do not have rights to the service you cannot change ships from your cap if you dock with one. If the service hanger is full you cannot change from a cap ship to anything other than another cap. Hanger would also be able to be accessed with anyone with rights so people can steal it. I have not mentioned this but you should also not be able to repackage caps either. There is probably a few others which I have forgotten, those are enough drawbacks that I think anyone who had the money for a fort would buy it, also if you really wanted to you could also have it so that only the number of caps that the service can hold can be undocked within say 5 minutes this would limit it’s usefulness as a beach head with people who could afford to spam them. Also with the changes to moon mining you might be agreeing with me sooner or latter as massive blocks are likely to fracture although a keepstar or 2 is still not going to be that difficult but you are going to also have a lot of smaller entities popping up or splintering off. ---
**Author:** ![Octoven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/octoven/32/403414_2.png) [@Octoven](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Octoven)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2017, 4:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/astra-house-not-a-good-replacement-for-poss/23674/93 "2017-09-18T04:16:11Z")
I have to kinda agree with the OP, the astrahus is kinda a replacement for small-med towers which could online a cap sma even if your defenses would be a little short. In that regard if an astrahus is supposed to give you the same functionality as a small or medium, than it needs to allow caps to dock, there really is no logical reason to deny them to. The only reason CCP chose to is because they wanted a tiered approach to citadel sizes. No caps -\> caps -\> super caps…I mean a tier model should work right? It has ships and mods for so many years. \>.\> ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2017, 4:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/astra-house-not-a-good-replacement-for-poss/23674/94 "2017-12-17T04:16:15Z")
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