# Attention President Aguard **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [May 8, 2021, 1:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/attention-president-aguard/310031 "2021-05-08T13:47:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2021, 9:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/attention-president-aguard/310031/21 "2021-05-09T21:26:46Z")
> [@Remilia\_Malitia](#): > > Furthermore, as of this moment I am the Kybernaut most favored out of all by the Collective, receiving full security clearance before Pochven’s weaving was even complete and currently being at the top of all standings with them. As evidenced in part by her natty suit. Note that this basically means that out of all the failure points in capsuleer society she failed perhaps most thoroughly and eagerly: treason as a point of pride. I guess it’s important to be comfortable with who you are, seize your destiny with both hands and such. I do wonder whether her masters are actually proud of her, though: basically, they put us to proving on the matter of group cohesion and loyalty, and we failed. She’s evidently at least in the running for having failed hardest. ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Tem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_tem/32/432971_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Tem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Tem)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2021, 6:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/attention-president-aguard/310031/22 "2021-05-10T06:32:00Z")
> [@Aria\_Jenneth](#): > > This isn’t someone you engage in little steps with, Ms. Tem. It’s an enemy continuing war by other means-- in this case, suppressing future resistance. There is no council against caution. I think we are all sensitive to how badly events may transpire. Try to imagine what could be accomplished if humanity grows to embrace this altered state of affairs. Where would you focus our collective consciousness if there were no strife at the threshold? ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2021, 6:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/attention-president-aguard/310031/23 "2021-05-10T06:55:01Z")
> [@Snowflake\_Tem](#): > > Where would you focus our collective consciousness if there were no strife at the threshold? Oh, given a world at peace I’d want to see us focus our attention on wider exploration of just about every sort. The universe is a labyrinth of wonders; what better way to celebrate being alive than to explore it? Also, it’d be great to see some effort put towards creating and maintaining wisdom, both in leaders and their people. It’s too rare, and cleverness is no substitute. Maybe that way a peace could actually last. As a thought, emphasizing broad knowledge even among specialists might help people not to become confined to a single, narrow way of thinking. A golden age of peace and learning could follow. That would be something to see. Sadly I don’t have a lot of hope I’ll live to see it. ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Tem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_tem/32/432971_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Tem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Tem)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2021, 6:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/attention-president-aguard/310031/24 "2021-05-10T06:57:26Z")
> [@Remilia\_Malitia](#): > > If you wish to further your own understanding, feel free to reach out to me, I would be more than happy to equip you with as much information as you would desire, in service of a diplomatic mission. I would hope that Officials will take you up on that generous offer. My mandate is to speak for my Sisters, our Order and the plant operators we oversee. Peering beyond the bounds of proprietary precedes punishment, as the Sang Do are said to say. ---
**Author:** ![Auriga\_Menkalinan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/auriga_menkalinan/32/351666_2.png) [@Auriga\_Menkalinan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Auriga_Menkalinan)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2021, 1:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/attention-president-aguard/310031/25 "2021-05-10T13:00:56Z")
> [@Snowflake\_Tem](#): > > If anyone can quell Clade dissolute ground the Intaki can. Please could you explain what this means? ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Tem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_tem/32/432971_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Tem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Tem)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2021, 6:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/attention-president-aguard/310031/26 "2021-05-10T18:11:59Z")
This may be a Jin-Mai-ism, forgive me. It is my understanding that territory fought over by a divided faction in a civil-war like activity is termed Dissolute. I believe the Triglavian Clades lack the unity of purpose they prviously displayed and are warring amongst themselves. Hence: Dissolute ground. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2021, 7:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/attention-president-aguard/310031/27 "2021-05-10T19:22:08Z")
> [@Snowflake\_Tem](#): > > I believe the Triglavian Clades lack the unity of purpose they prviously displayed and are warring amongst themselves. Hence: Dissolute ground. Very respectfully, Ms. Tem, it’s pretty likely that the Triglavians have always been going at each other like this for as long as we’ve been in contact with them. An example of this would be: Veles announces “playful communion” with the rogue drones that have just arrived in the Abyss (the degree to which this is actually fun or beneficial for the rogue drones is unclear); Svarog objects; Perun shrugs. No consensus. To resolve the question, Svarog sets out scads of massive structures for the sole purpose of destroying Veles’ new playmates. (They also kill our drones and light missiles, but that’s a side-benefit, not a primary one.) The short-range kind are so effective you can win a fight with a whole swarm of Lance-type rogue drones just by hugging one, and you can exploit them to split Triglavian defensive cross-rep and tear Triglavian ships apart while they try to keep the drone up. Has Svarog said, “Oops, we might have overdone it. This is plainly working against us,” and withdrawn or repurposed their suppressor units? No, no they have not. It’s likely this is just kind of, uh, “how they do.” If there’s an issue, they fight it out. Whoever wins plainly has the right of it. There have to be things they don’t actually, physically fight over, though? (“My favorite color is blue.” “Orange is plainly superior! DIE!”) Just, we haven’t seen how they resolve more … uh … non-military-adjacent disagreements, I guess. Basically, that unity of purpose, the “Flow of Vyraj,” is sort of a constant. What they seem to fight over is the how, and I guess also probably the allocation of resources. Fighting your way through a gauntlet of opponents seems to be just kind of proving your worth; do it, and they’ll throw some stuff your way. They seem to approach each other in just the same way an awful lot. The only question is really, how far. (“You want a sandwich? … Come and take it!”) ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Tem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_tem/32/432971_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Tem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Tem)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 7:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/attention-president-aguard/310031/28 "2021-05-12T07:01:05Z")
> [@\[ARC\] Joined operation request to the Empires, EDENCOM and loyal capsuleers](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/124): > > UPDATE ON THE MASS EVACUATION EFFORTS: Preparations for the mass evacuation efforts are still ongoing. ARC wished to provide the following updates: Industrials will have a shuttle and planetary vehicles onboard to help the evacuation efforts. No other goods will be carried and the industrials will be unarmed; A timetable has been agreed upon for the mass evacuation efforts on the 14th. While it is not great, it is the best that could be achieved considering the conditions and circumstance… Not to be indelicate, but these are considerable resources for the necro-gnostic-rites of Drifters and the Nation. They are more secure where they are, whatever state they are in. This mission is fraught with more problems than have been accounted for. ---
**Author:** ![Tanagura\_Amoii](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tanagura_amoii/32/310830_2.png) [@Tanagura\_Amoii](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tanagura_Amoii)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 3:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/attention-president-aguard/310031/29 "2021-05-12T15:50:28Z")
> [@Snowflake\_Tem](#): > > This mission is fraught with more problems than have been accounted for. The key performance indicator for tracking success in our cluster is the ISK value of whatever gets blown up. That has always been the case, and I suspect the mission will “not disappoint™.” However, for a brief period, there was an exchange of ideas between those affiliated with the Collective and those not. Furthermore, those affiliated with the Collective demonstrated a willingness to gather up civilians and allow them to leave the system. The proposition is not just a form of progress, it is progress. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs, in cooperation with relevant intelligence agencies, could take that progress to heart by identifying counterparts in the Collective itself with whom to open dialog - and then actually open dialog. ---
**Author:** ![Auriga\_Menkalinan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/auriga_menkalinan/32/351666_2.png) [@Auriga\_Menkalinan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Auriga_Menkalinan)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/attention-president-aguard/310031/30 "2021-05-12T17:56:10Z")
So you mean Intaki diplomacy can broker a peace between warring Clades? ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Tem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_tem/32/432971_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Tem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Tem)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/attention-president-aguard/310031/31 "2021-05-12T18:42:51Z")
> [@Auriga\_Menkalinan](#): > > broker a peace between warring Clades? If it was in the interests of a people with near-infinite patience and even longer memories, perhaps. But not in the short term in the urgent circumstance we are discussing here. If these entities and their visitors, welcome or not, along with their attendant ideologies are going to occupy the same volume of space, might it not be prudent to prepare some common ground for them to stand on? My recommendation was simply to call upon the diplomatic cores arts to identify that understanding. ---
**Author:** ![Remilia\_Malitia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remilia_malitia/32/394766_2.png) [@Remilia\_Malitia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remilia_Malitia)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 7:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/attention-president-aguard/310031/32 "2021-05-12T19:42:06Z")
If I may offer a short clarification, the three clades are not at war. Engagements between them are controlled and limited in their scope and are an integral part of their doctrine of Proving, especially during times of war like they are facing now. They intend to harden one another’s defenses and drill their military forces in preparation of fighting actual enemies. Peace between the Convocation and the Empires is very attainable, but you cannot ‘reconcile’ the clades any more than you can get Caldari megacorporations, Matari tribes or Amarr houses from competing. ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Tem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_tem/32/432971_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Tem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Tem)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 8:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/attention-president-aguard/310031/33 "2021-05-12T20:15:23Z")
> [@Remilia\_Malitia](#): > > clarification, the three clades are not at war. Engagements between them are controlled and limited in their scope and are an integral part of their doctrine of Proving I appreciate the illumination. Every detail helps. > [@\[ARC\] Joined operation request to the Empires, EDENCOM and loyal capsuleers](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/162): > > It would be immensely wise not to try to use emotional appeal to make us look like the ‘bad guys’ in this scenario. However, what you propose is not a meeting in the middle. It’s simply your collective taking over our operation without eyes on what your pilots are doing. The point, quite simply, is why should we think you’re going to do anything that you’ve said? Are we to be blamed again for the actions of other organizations after the Vale operation? That seems to be the particular trend from… She has a point; take private council, make public announcements. @Lasairiona_Raske knows her business. ---
**Author:** ![Tanagura\_Amoii](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tanagura_amoii/32/310830_2.png) [@Tanagura\_Amoii](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tanagura_Amoii)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2021, 8:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/attention-president-aguard/310031/34 "2021-05-12T20:46:23Z")
It is logical to conduct delicate negotiations in private, given the near certainty Other Forces will see the exercise as an opportunity to increase the ISK value of explosions they are associated with. However, if the entire process had been private, the cluster would not have seen the possibility for non-violent extraction of civilians so cleanly demonstrated. The dialog has therefore created public value beyond the success or explosive failure of one operation. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs should not let this opening pass. The Federation cannot speak for the cluster’s other powers, of course, but this is an opportunity for the president to address a humanitarian crisis in a diplomatic manner. Pursuing a diplomatic solution would, in turn, celebrate the identity of the Gallente Federation. ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Tem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_tem/32/432971_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Tem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Tem)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 12:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/attention-president-aguard/310031/35 "2021-05-14T12:49:55Z")
Well, that promising start lost its shine quite quickly. [ARC secure feed](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/173) I had to listen to Geana giggle like a muzzled hyena at Sahara’s acerbic jibe. @Tanagura_Amoii, help me clear something up. Aligned capsuleers do not vote in Federal elections because they are legally categorised as dead upon qualification, correct? Meanwhile, Roden, a capsualeer, somehow managed to snake his way into presidential power… What do you suppose makes darling Celes think she can count on our support in fulfilling her campaign promises if we chattering ghosts remain unheard and powerless. ---
**Author:** ![Vehaima\_Zekaarin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vehaima_zekaarin/32/260875_2.png) [@Vehaima\_Zekaarin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vehaima_Zekaarin)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 1:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/attention-president-aguard/310031/36 "2021-05-14T13:15:31Z")
I voted last week as a Federal citizen in my local gubernatorial elections. There is no law barring a capsuleer from partaking in the Federal political process. ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Tem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_tem/32/432971_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Tem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Tem)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/attention-president-aguard/310031/37 "2021-05-14T13:17:06Z")
You may have voted, but did it count? ---
**Author:** ![Vehaima\_Zekaarin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vehaima_zekaarin/32/260875_2.png) [@Vehaima\_Zekaarin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vehaima_Zekaarin)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 1:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/attention-president-aguard/310031/38 "2021-05-14T13:20:29Z")
I was on the rolls and cast my ballot. As far as I’m aware the election commission does the counting. ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Tem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_tem/32/432971_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Tem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Tem)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/attention-president-aguard/310031/39 "2021-05-14T13:26:22Z")
I’ve never been made aware capsualeers were listed on rolls other than that of the Council of Stellar Management. But my personal propagation circumstances are; quite unique. I’ll take your word for it. ---
**Author:** ![Vehaima\_Zekaarin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vehaima_zekaarin/32/260875_2.png) [@Vehaima\_Zekaarin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vehaima_Zekaarin)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2021, 1:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/attention-president-aguard/310031/40 "2021-05-14T13:30:24Z")
Well, last election a capsuleer – Julianus Soter – was a Presidential candidate who got a small percentage of the total vote. Only Fed citizens can be voted into office, and Fed citizens can vote. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/attention-president-aguard/310031.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/attention-president-aguard/310031.md?page=3)