# Auto Renewal is illegal in some states **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 27, 2021, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-renewal-is-illegal-in-some-states/339112 "2021-11-27T16:42:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![leavwiz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/leavwiz/32/235353_2.png) [@leavwiz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/leavwiz)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-renewal-is-illegal-in-some-states/339112/1 "2021-11-27T16:42:48Z")
after the recent update announcement i considered unsubbing some of my mining accounts. however, just days after the devblog post i got a “subscrition successfully renewed” notice. guess i am here for another year. you may want to have your legal team review the auto renewal policy. in several US states it is illegal to automatically renew subscriptions without prior notification. in some states you must also renew consent (although some allow it as the default upon notification). i would hate to see CCP products banned if anyone happens to complain ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 4:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-renewal-is-illegal-in-some-states/339112/2 "2021-11-27T16:45:26Z")
I believe you can cancel and get a refund of unused sub time. Notify support. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 4:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-renewal-is-illegal-in-some-states/339112/3 "2021-11-27T16:55:34Z")
> [@leavwiz](#): > > i would hate to see CCP products banned if anyone happens to complain Sure would be a shame for the other EVE players living in those specific states. ---
**Author:** ![Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mkikaden_tiragen/32/243913_2.png) [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mkikaden_Tiragen)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-renewal-is-illegal-in-some-states/339112/4 "2021-11-27T17:25:01Z")
> [@leavwiz](#): > > in several US states it is illegal to automatically renew subscriptions without prior notification. You are notified of automated renewal when you sign up for Omega in the first place, and have the option to remove it immediately. There is even a choice marker for ‘prefer to renew manually’ when it asks why you cancelled auto-renew. It has been like this for at least the last 10 years. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 6:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-renewal-is-illegal-in-some-states/339112/5 "2021-11-27T18:21:57Z")
Also, ccp follows Icelandic laws, not u.s. ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-renewal-is-illegal-in-some-states/339112/6 "2021-11-27T18:29:40Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/b/3/fb3e2b475d0ce538d7ec62a723a1bf85d1eed28d.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-renewal-is-illegal-in-some-states/339112/7 "2021-11-27T18:33:13Z")
> [@leavwiz](#): > > i would hate to see CCP products banned if anyone happens to complain I look forward to seeing the blockade. They have cloaked ships. ---
**Author:** ![Jin\_Endares](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jin_endares/32/413291_2.png) [@Jin\_Endares](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jin_Endares)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 6:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-renewal-is-illegal-in-some-states/339112/8 "2021-11-27T18:57:25Z")
Can you cancel the autorenewal feature w/o cancelling your active Omega? How? ---
**Author:** ![EM00](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/em00/32/416391_2.png) [@EM00](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/EM00)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-renewal-is-illegal-in-some-states/339112/9 "2021-11-27T19:10:11Z")
You can cancel at any time. The remaining omega time will continue to run until it is finished. At the end of the period it simply won’t renew and won’t bill you again. You have to cancel every time you buy Omega time if you don’t want it to auto-renew. (no setting to disable it yet as far as I know) ---
**Author:** ![Emira\_Sultana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/emira_sultana/32/298445_2.png) [@Emira\_Sultana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Emira_Sultana)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 7:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-renewal-is-illegal-in-some-states/339112/10 "2021-11-27T19:15:09Z")
That is why I like paying for Omega through Steam. I add money through my PayPal then add it to Steam and voilà, no automatic renewal or anything I don’t want to pay for. I could also buy PLEX through Steam. I hardly ever use my credit card online, I prefer to top up my PayPal account so if there is an issue with anything I can work through PayPal to cancel the purchase even when the money has already left my account. I only use my credit card in stores, where I can _see_ what I get for my money. ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 7:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-renewal-is-illegal-in-some-states/339112/11 "2021-11-27T19:19:21Z")
Use PLEX activation codes? [https://secure.eveonline.com/etc.aspx](https://secure.eveonline.com/etc.aspx) ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 7:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-renewal-is-illegal-in-some-states/339112/12 "2021-11-27T19:27:56Z")
lmao, armchair lawyers ---
**Author:** ![EM00](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/em00/32/416391_2.png) [@EM00](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/EM00)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 7:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-renewal-is-illegal-in-some-states/339112/13 "2021-11-27T19:46:34Z")
Plex is an alternative and does not come with auto-renewal. But the downside is it costs a bit more $ for the same amount of game time. (I’m not referring to isk for plex which is of course another option, but the discussion seems to be about RL payment) ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 8:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-renewal-is-illegal-in-some-states/339112/14 "2021-11-27T20:09:37Z")
Thats why i made my sub using paypal, so i can go through the [eveonline.com](http://eveonline.com) or use paypal to end the sub… ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 8:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-renewal-is-illegal-in-some-states/339112/15 "2021-11-27T20:31:55Z")
> [@leavwiz](#): > > i would hate to see CCP products banned… ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/2/5/c257fe052d82ed470ea6f681e47523971ce8b0af.jpeg) ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/b/f/9bf38631006d259e688e72a8f3f8956742bee613.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Jin\_Endares](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jin_endares/32/413291_2.png) [@Jin\_Endares](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jin_Endares)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 9:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-renewal-is-illegal-in-some-states/339112/16 "2021-11-27T21:30:30Z")
> [@Emira\_Sultana](#): > > I hardly ever use my credit card online, I prefer to top up my PayPal account so if there is an issue with anything I can work through PayPal to cancel the purchase even when the money has already left my account. > I only use my credit card in stores, where I can _see_ what I get for my money. Common myth. You’re rights (at least in the U.S,) with a credit card are very strong. In fact too strong from a seller’s/vendor’s POV. Going through a service like PayPal makes it hard for your card number to be intercepted )(I’ve had that happen, what a mess) but you don’t lose any $$. Now with a debit card…your rights are strong too but they money is taken right out of your bank and could be several days before you get it back. Not good if you have outstanding bills pending. So I never use a debt online (and even rarely in a store). ---
**Author:** ![Emira\_Sultana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/emira_sultana/32/298445_2.png) [@Emira\_Sultana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Emira_Sultana)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 9:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-renewal-is-illegal-in-some-states/339112/17 "2021-11-27T21:38:19Z")
> [@Jin\_Endares](#): > > Common myth. How is that a “myth” when it’s tried and proven? 😳 > [@Jin\_Endares](#): > > (at least in the U.S,) I’m not in the U.S. ---
**Author:** ![Jin\_Endares](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jin_endares/32/413291_2.png) [@Jin\_Endares](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jin_Endares)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 9:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-renewal-is-illegal-in-some-states/339112/18 "2021-11-27T21:41:31Z")
> [@Emira\_Sultana](#): > > How is that a “myth” when it’s tried tried and proven? 😳 It’s a myth that a payment service like Paypal gives you more legal rights. They don’t. It’s just another layer of dispute option. The legal standing is with the bank that issued the card. There was a time PP would suspend your account with them if you charged back a payment made through PP w/o first having gone through them for a grievance. ---
**Author:** ![Emira\_Sultana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/emira_sultana/32/298445_2.png) [@Emira\_Sultana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Emira_Sultana)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 10:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-renewal-is-illegal-in-some-states/339112/19 "2021-11-27T22:15:37Z")
> [@Jin\_Endares](#): > > It’s a myth that a payment service like Paypal gives you more legal rights. I never mentioned “more legal rights” in my original post. > [@Jin\_Endares](#): > > It’s just another layer of dispute option. It’s another layer of security and money back guaranteed. > [@Jin\_Endares](#): > > The legal standing is with the bank that issued the card. When I receive a defective item paid through PayPal and want my money back, I don’t go through my bank, I go through PayPal and PayPal gets my money back. Does the bank get involved? I wouldn’t know, that’s between my bank and PayPal. > [@Jin\_Endares](#): > > There was a time PP would suspend your account with them if you charged back a payment made through PP w/o first having gone through them for a grievance. I wouldn’t know, I always go through PayPal to get my money back on items paid through PayPal. It makes sense to me. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2021, 10:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-renewal-is-illegal-in-some-states/339112/20 "2021-11-27T22:20:42Z")
hell, my friend bought a firearm with paypal and they terminated his account. [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-renewal-is-illegal-in-some-states/339112.md?page=2)