# Auto Targeting Missiles Won't Fire **URL:** \ **Category:** General Issues\ **Created:** [January 13, 2025, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-targeting-missiles-wont-fire/473946 "2025-01-13T18:32:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![TaylrSwift](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/taylrswift/32/447374_2.png) [@TaylrSwift](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TaylrSwift)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-targeting-missiles-wont-fire/473946/41 "2025-01-29T21:20:51Z")
“Should it be fixed? Absolutely” This is the only thing I’m arguing for. If we want to get into the details of the fight, sure. The first two ships that aggressed me both had to warp off because they were dying to the 2 sentry guns at the gate. It took 1-2 minutes before ships that actually did damage arrived so an extra 800 dps to the first ships would’ve made an impact. I was aligned to a station and cycling my MWD on overload, I could’ve be in warp in about 10 secs. There were absolutely windows of opportunity to survive if I were able to use my weapons as it was intended. As for the risks of bringing a capital freighter into low sec. Yeah, 100% that’s on me. I knew the risks. I’ve done it before with no problems and have done it when I did get attacked and lost my ships cause I valued the convenience over safety. I’m not complaining about that cause I knew what I was getting into. I’m complaining about a weapon that’s not working when it’s supposed to. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 9:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-targeting-missiles-wont-fire/473946/42 "2025-01-29T21:49:56Z")
> [@TaylrSwift](#): > > The decision to not reimburse the ship you lost is final and not up for debate. Wow, I guess they really don’t want to acknowledge this is a bug… ---
**Author:** ![Eloken\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eloken_toralen/32/401714_2.png) [@Eloken\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eloken_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 10:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-targeting-missiles-wont-fire/473946/43 "2025-01-29T22:46:49Z")
> [@TaylrSwift](#): > > Greetings Capsuleer, I’m Senior GM Baldur. > > The information GM Wren provided is correct, and the behavior of the auto-targeting missiles that you described is not the result of a game bug. Then how come a few years ago auto targeting rapid light launchers had the SAME bug for a long time until it was finally recognised as such in the patch notes? Can’t remember the release but CCP not knowing their own bug history is appalling. > [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > Much appreciated - hope this gets some traction on Reddit (we know posting here achieves nothing). Sad but true. > [@QuakeGod](#): > > I don’t see the problem here. Missiles working correctly or not, it’s a hauler. You aren’t going to survive a determined attack anyway… It wasn’t a determined attack, it was what, two cruisers? > [@QuakeGod](#): > > Like I said, it’s a hauler, you’re going to die. That’s just the way it is. Missiles were put on it because that’s what haulers have been wanting for years thinking it’s somehow going to save them. Stop being a CCP apologist, if the auto targeting missiles had worked and killed the ship doing the pointing, the vessel would have been saved. > [@QuakeGod](#): > > The missiles are nothing more than a gimmick that provides a placebo effect… Isn’t the avalanche putting out over 1K DPS? Is 1K DPS now meaningless ? > [@QuakeGod](#): > > but with auto-targeting missiles you have to wait for them to aggress you Which did happen, and the missiles did not work. > [@QuakeGod](#): > > They go for the closest target, whatever that may be Not if they fail to activate, so that is a secondary problem. > [@QuakeGod](#): > > All anyone has to do is point you from an ungodly range, then put a brick-tanked whatever right up against you. The limited engagtement timer would be with the ship doing the pointing, not the brick tanked ship having a snuggle. > [@QuakeGod](#): > > Ok then, let’s say CCP fixed it today. Right this minute. What good would it do you? It is unreasonable for the playerbase to expect a loss due to a game bug be reimbursed? The titan that was killed because tehter was affected by ECM burst just has to wear the loss ? > [@QuakeGod](#): > > spew useless missiles If they are useless, what is the problem in having them fixed? > [@TaylrSwift](#): > > This ticket, and any further tickets about this matter, will be closed. I wonder what the CSM thinks of this, as it is clearly a behavour contrary to expectations and especially egregious considering the cost of the vesel. > [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > Wow, I guess they really don’t want to acknowledge this is a bug… No doubt all that dev time is allocated to fixing high priority issues with SKINR… ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 10:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-targeting-missiles-wont-fire/473946/44 "2025-01-29T22:49:54Z")
> [@Eloken\_Toralen](#): > > The limited engagtement timer would be with the ship doing the pointing, not the brick tanked ship having a snuggle. The brick tanked ship would also be attacking, and since it is the closest target, every single missile would be directed at it instead of the ship pointing you… Have you people seriously never used auto-targeting missiles before? Even in PvE missions? They don’t work how you are wanting them to. You cannot control what they fire at. Period. They fire at the closest target until it is destroyed. ---
**Author:** ![Eloken\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eloken_toralen/32/401714_2.png) [@Eloken\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eloken_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 10:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-targeting-missiles-wont-fire/473946/45 "2025-01-29T22:57:44Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > The brick tanked ship would also be attacking, There was no mention of the brick tanked ship doing anything, other than being brick tanked. > [@QuakeGod](#): > > and since it is the closest target, every single missile would be directed at it instead of the ship pointing you… > > Have you people seriously never used auto-targeting missiles before? Even in PvE missions? They don’t work how you are wanting them to. I am aware of how auto targeting missiles work. Interesting to note though, if the pointing ship was first to engage, the auto targeting missiles would have fire at it first. If the avalanche has drones assisted to it, those drones would have attacked the pointing ship until it was dead, regardless of the range of other ships partaking in the engagement. One of the unique features of auto targeting is instant response, even a fully boosed fast locking frigate can’t beat a single click activation speed. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 10:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-targeting-missiles-wont-fire/473946/46 "2025-01-29T22:59:25Z")
> [@Eloken\_Toralen](#): > > No doubt all that dev time is allocated to fixing high priority issues with SKINR… They’re ignoring those as well… ---
**Author:** ![Eloken\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eloken_toralen/32/401714_2.png) [@Eloken\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eloken_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 11:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-targeting-missiles-wont-fire/473946/47 "2025-01-29T23:11:04Z")
Yeah I just saw the thread. Another item to add to [https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-is-causing-eve-to-die/) ---
**Author:** ![TaylrSwift](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/taylrswift/32/447374_2.png) [@TaylrSwift](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TaylrSwift)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 11:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-targeting-missiles-wont-fire/473946/48 "2025-01-29T23:40:52Z")
“They fire at the closest target until it is destroyed” No, they are not firing period. That is the issue we’re talking about. Have YOU ever used auto-targeting missiles before? In PVP? Cause that’s what this thread is talking about. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 11:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-targeting-missiles-wont-fire/473946/49 "2025-01-29T23:46:19Z")
If they are working correctly, yes, they fire at the closest target. And apparently it’s not that big of an issue, or you didn’t learn your lesson the first time, because you went out into low sec and lost another one again in the exact same scenario 6 days later… ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 11:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-targeting-missiles-wont-fire/473946/50 "2025-01-29T23:57:02Z")
There are hills to stand and die on. This isn’t one of them… ---
**Author:** ![TaylrSwift](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/taylrswift/32/447374_2.png) [@TaylrSwift](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TaylrSwift)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 2:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-targeting-missiles-wont-fire/473946/51 "2025-01-30T02:04:53Z")
That’s the thing, they aren’t working correctly and that’s the whole point of this thread, not my loss history. It doesn’t matter if I go lose an entire fleet or become pvp king, auto targeting missiles are not working properly. I don’t understand how you can deflect and deflect in the face of these facts. ---
**Author:** ![Yakasaimo\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yakasaimo_onzo/32/447095_2.png) [@Yakasaimo\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yakasaimo_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 2:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-targeting-missiles-wont-fire/473946/52 "2025-01-30T02:41:27Z")
Send the full details to one of the CSM - they’re currently at CCP HQ in Iceland ---
**Author:** ![TaylrSwift](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/taylrswift/32/447374_2.png) [@TaylrSwift](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TaylrSwift)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2025, 7:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-targeting-missiles-wont-fire/473946/53 "2025-02-03T19:00:37Z")
How do we do that? ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2025, 8:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-targeting-missiles-wont-fire/473946/54 "2025-02-03T20:11:49Z")
Don’t waste your time. It was always this way, you need an _own_ aggro timer to use Auto-Targeting missiles. They _want_ the system to work that way, so it doesn’t _give_ you a timer by accidentally hiting someone yo don’t want to have a timer with. So it only works if you already have a timer on you. See here for example: [Reddit - Dive into anything](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/cjstcx/how_to_use_auto_target_missiles_to_rat/) ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2025, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-targeting-missiles-wont-fire/473946/55 "2025-02-03T20:18:00Z")
Your example is about wormhole space, which is a different problem than this. You don’t need an aggro timer to fire back with auto-targeting missiles in null sec. I assume wormhole space is no difference. What you need to fire auto-targeting missiles is that another NPC or player first shoots you. The problem in low sec is that even if you are agressed by a player you cannot fire back with auto-targeting missiles unless you have an engagement timer with that player, even if that other player already has an engagement timer with you (as they shot you). That’s bad design. If auto-targeting missiles allowed player A to fire back at player B after player B shot A and has an engagement timer with A, there would be no issue at all. CCP should fix that problem. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2025, 8:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-targeting-missiles-wont-fire/473946/56 "2025-02-03T20:59:46Z")
Has to be some reason they are working this way specifically for that ship. Were players trying to use it to farm combat sites or bot with it? Auto-targeting missiles are working just fine in PvE missions… ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2025, 9:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-targeting-missiles-wont-fire/473946/57 "2025-02-03T21:05:38Z")
I highly doubt anyone uses auto-targeting missiles in PvP, so with this ship being specifically bonused for it, this has probably been the case for a very long time and no one ever noticed until now. Either that or there is a specific reason CCP wants them to work this way in PvP compared to PvE… ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2025, 9:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-targeting-missiles-wont-fire/473946/58 "2025-02-03T21:11:56Z")
I cannot imagine CCP wants the Avalance, bonused to fight back with auto-targeting missiles, to not be able to fight back with auto-targeting missiles in low sec space against players. The only explanation for the current situation that I can think of is that CCP was unaware of this issue. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2025, 9:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-targeting-missiles-wont-fire/473946/59 "2025-02-03T21:32:58Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > The only explanation for the current situation that I can think of is that CCP was unaware of this issue. Are you implying CCP devs don’t know their own game? 🤔 😏 :psyccp: 😇 ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2025, 9:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-targeting-missiles-wont-fire/473946/60 "2025-02-03T21:35:12Z")
Yes, but it’s not strange for a developer to not be aware of all bugs in a game. What’s strange is that they won’t acknowledge this bug once reported, and pretend auto-targeting missiles are working fine when these missiles refuse to shoot back in certain situations. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-targeting-missiles-wont-fire/473946.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/auto-targeting-missiles-wont-fire/473946.md?page=4)