# Back in Good Hands **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Tags:** roleplay, faction-war\ **Created:** [March 7, 2020, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/back-in-good-hands/224272 "2020-03-07T18:32:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2020, 2:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/back-in-good-hands/224272/21 "2020-03-08T14:38:25Z")
The contained war in Floseswin is serving as an example to the rest of the cluster and providing the argument for why it must be stopped. You are entirely right, Ms. Tsukiyo. I fight in this pit now so that others will not have to later. This is not about spreading the fire, it is about snuffing it out before it may continue on. ---
**Author:** ![Cain\_Aloga](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cain_aloga/32/457080_2.png) [@Cain\_Aloga](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cain_Aloga)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2020, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/back-in-good-hands/224272/22 "2020-03-08T15:04:30Z")
As long as you have no control over the actions of the Butcher Sarum, your words are empty and meaningless. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2020, 2:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/back-in-good-hands/224272/23 "2020-03-09T02:06:23Z")
> [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](#): > > Good thing Ushra’Khan are wordbreakers, though. Never too late to go back on that. > > True heroes of the Minmatar people. It’s funny what people say when provoked, how they respond in the heat of their initial reaction. I don’t think anyone would blame them for showing mercy… though the more you goad them, the less anyone will blame them if they _don’t_. > [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](#): > > About the same as what the Republic received for the Defiants. So Arrach Sarum is a mutineer? _Interesting_. > [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](#): > > If I have learned one lesson from all of this, it is that keeping Minmatar on the defensive prevents them from pushing the offensive. Considering the Amarr held Floseswin prior to Sarum’s decree, it would seem the facts directly contradict you, as it provoked an _offensive_. ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2020, 6:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/back-in-good-hands/224272/24 "2020-03-09T06:54:14Z")
The above points are wrong on all accounts, which are clear manipulations of what I said. I trust that anyone worthy of speaking with on the IGS are intelligent enough to already know this. I will not engage with them beyond that. ---
**Author:** ![Pol\_Macsliebh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pol_macsliebh/32/376245_2.png) [@Pol\_Macsliebh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pol_Macsliebh)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2020, 3:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/back-in-good-hands/224272/25 "2020-03-09T15:39:24Z")
> [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](#): > > I believe the promise from Ferra herself was two dead Amarr for everyone one Minmatar. > > Pol stated ten dead Amarr for every one Minmatar enslaved. > > That would obligate Ushra’Khan to kill at least a few million. I suppose the full debt will be calculated when the casualty reports come in. > > Good thing Ushra’Khan are wordbreakers, though. Never too late to go back on that. > > True heroes of the Minmatar people. I don’t publicly announce or keep track of the Amarr I kill, but you are right the 10 dead Amarr for 1 Minmatar is a bit low, lets make it 20… and word breakers? That’s all you got? just go hide behind your “moral” ■■■■■■■■ when you are loosing Amarrian and peak out when you perceive yourself to winning… We come for your people ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2020, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/back-in-good-hands/224272/26 "2020-03-09T16:18:44Z")
Ah, good. Then when it comes to negotiating for any return of the 150,000 taken from Floseswin, we can expect 3,000,000 Amarr PoW’s back, using that conversion rate. I look forward to Keitan Yun extending the offer. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2020, 4:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/back-in-good-hands/224272/27 "2020-03-09T16:40:06Z")
> [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](#): > > Then when it comes to negotiating for any return of the 150,000 taken from Floseswin, we can expect 3,000,000 Amarr PoW’s back, using that conversion rate. Using that conversion rate and the context, you can expect 3 million _dead_ prisoners of war. Hope this helps. ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2020, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/back-in-good-hands/224272/28 "2020-03-09T16:48:24Z")
Oh, most certainly if a simple brute like Pol Macsliebh were representing the Republic at the Inner Circle. But that is not the case, now is it? ---
**Author:** ![Pol\_Macsliebh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pol_macsliebh/32/376245_2.png) [@Pol\_Macsliebh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pol_Macsliebh)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2020, 5:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/back-in-good-hands/224272/29 "2020-03-09T17:24:04Z")
You quoted me to make a point? But now it doesn’t suit its invalid. Talking with the Amarr is pointless, snakes and liars the lot… ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2020, 5:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/back-in-good-hands/224272/30 "2020-03-09T17:41:03Z")
Pol’s Thukker. Not that the moniker would not be an insult if it was _correct_, but now it’s incorrect and stupid instead of just stupid. And if your joke depends on the Inner Circle to listen to him for the exchange rate it should not require ignoring the “dead” part. You really need to work on the comedy act before taking it to stage. ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2020, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/back-in-good-hands/224272/31 "2020-03-09T17:43:35Z")
And you need to work on your invasion prevention act before taking it on deployment. ---
**Author:** ![Anabella\_Rella](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anabella_rella/32/515671_2.png) [@Anabella\_Rella](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anabella_Rella)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2020, 6:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/back-in-good-hands/224272/32 "2020-03-09T18:25:09Z")
You know that insulting those you want something from is a sure fire way to get what you want, right? Oh, wait… 🤨 ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2020, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/back-in-good-hands/224272/33 "2020-03-09T18:28:06Z")
I do not want a single thing from Minmatar capsuleers. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2020, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/back-in-good-hands/224272/34 "2020-03-09T19:10:54Z")
Did something new just happen or did you just sleep badly? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2020, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/back-in-good-hands/224272/35 "2020-03-09T19:45:18Z")
He got caught doing stupid-ass things like equating Arrach Sarum with the Defiants, and now desperately wants to move past that before his owners see it. ---
**Author:** ![Saronu\_Yassavi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saronu_yassavi/32/386208_2.png) [@Saronu\_Yassavi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saronu_Yassavi)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2020, 7:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/back-in-good-hands/224272/36 "2020-03-09T19:52:48Z")
Given how dissimilar the listed transgressions are to one another; to claim any equivalence to His Grace’s actions is being drawn is quite a reach. To me it more reads as a citation of precedent. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2020, 7:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/back-in-good-hands/224272/37 "2020-03-09T19:59:15Z")
A) Precedent implies applicability, and thus a degree of equivalence. B) I would have thought so, too, but if Aldrith is going to claim that the Empire is as responsible for repercussions of Sarum’s actions as the Republic is for those of mutineers whom the Republic not only condemned, but in the case of the leader of the mutiny, _executed_… Well, then it would seem Aldrith is suggesting a prescribed course of action the Empire should take toward the leader of House Sarum. But then, we all know he’s never been _thrilled_ about becoming a vassal of Sarum after flying for another House in the succession qualifiers. ---
**Author:** ![Saronu\_Yassavi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saronu_yassavi/32/386208_2.png) [@Saronu\_Yassavi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saronu_Yassavi)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2020, 8:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/back-in-good-hands/224272/38 "2020-03-09T20:06:30Z")
A degree of equivalence certainly, but when you list multiples it seems more reasonable to presume emphasis on the traits common to all. I’m afraid my knowledge of the defiants is patchy at best, but the commonality I’d have inferred is aggression against the empire within its own borders. On that account the equivalence is in my view reasonable. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2020, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/back-in-good-hands/224272/39 "2020-03-09T20:18:38Z")
> [@Saronu\_Yassavi](#): > > the commonality I’d have inferred is aggression against the empire within its own borders. _After_ going AWOL and stealing ships from the Republic. Midular’s government killed the Admiral in command. Else might even have been there. ---
**Author:** ![Saronu\_Yassavi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saronu_yassavi/32/386208_2.png) [@Saronu\_Yassavi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saronu_Yassavi)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2020, 8:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/back-in-good-hands/224272/40 "2020-03-09T20:25:24Z")
That still isn’t really at odds with what Lord Newelle was saying, they were held accountable by their own government rather than CONCORD. He had been asked what restitution the Inner Circle might demand, and the precedent is irrespective of specifics zero. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/back-in-good-hands/224272.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/back-in-good-hands/224272.md?page=3)