# Balancing Hi-Sec Freighter Bump Mechanics **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [August 4, 2018, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363 "2018-08-04T20:37:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 4:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363/644 "2018-08-22T04:07:36Z")
But they dont see this way to avoid … they want to autopilot their 50b freighter through uedama and want to be 1000% safe ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Voidstar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mike_voidstar/32/280496_2.png) [@Mike\_Voidstar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mike_Voidstar)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 4:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363/645 "2018-08-22T04:40:00Z")
Why do you need 10 minutes. CCP was going to do 3, and the suggestion was being overly generous with 5. Stopping the hauler with a point was part of the original design. The only thing the module does is put the target into warp without needing to align. If you can keep a point on it, it will stay right there, then warp off as soon as the point drops. It’s not intended to make life easier for the criminal, wardecced, or flagged. Just people who can’t get aligned. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Voidstar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mike_voidstar/32/280496_2.png) [@Mike\_Voidstar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mike_Voidstar)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 4:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363/646 "2018-08-22T04:44:22Z")
Odd. Proposed solution requires being prepared for said attack with escorts properly outfitted. Aggressors in both cases are using mechanics that keep them safe from retaliation and consequences for their actions without potential for redress by their targets. Weird that the targets are the ones somehow not putting effort into their own safety. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 4:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363/647 "2018-08-22T04:47:01Z")
You didnt read… regular tackle should interrupt the complete cycle and you need to start the cycle again… ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Voidstar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mike_voidstar/32/280496_2.png) [@Mike\_Voidstar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mike_Voidstar)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 4:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363/648 "2018-08-22T04:48:22Z")
Oh, so you want to just negate it completely. No. That’s not reasonable. You want to tackle the hauler with a point, do it. You could just gank the escort ship though, that would solve your problem. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 4:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363/649 "2018-08-22T04:50:54Z")
Its not reasonable to need such module xD lot of ways to avoid bumps and ganks … you want a “godmode” button ? Then play other games… ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Voidstar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mike_voidstar/32/280496_2.png) [@Mike\_Voidstar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mike_Voidstar)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 8:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363/650 "2018-08-22T08:29:16Z")
Godmode? Hyperbole much? I can see you aren’t even remotely interested in being a part of the conversation. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 8:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363/651 "2018-08-22T08:50:15Z")
they are just trolling. “I do it, don’t change it”. That’s all they are saying. Sorry, it’s not an argument. Hitler (or Staline, or any other mass murderer) would be a saint by your morale. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 8:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363/652 "2018-08-22T08:58:09Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > they are just trolling. “I do it, don’t change it”. That’s all they are saying. That’s not the argument at all. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Sorry, it’s not an argument. Hitler (or Staline, or any other mass murderer) would be a saint by your morale. At least Godwin’s Law holds. Many other discussions have confirmed it way earlier, but 650 odd posts isn’t bad. /thread ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 9:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363/653 "2018-08-22T09:16:26Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > That’s not the argument at all. Yes, because you have no argument at all. Because all you do is trolling. If you have a correct point, it would be about time you start expressing it without the troll. The post where someone says he accept if this module becomes useless is a troll. This post > [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > We know the point: _Pilot wants to not be attacked because pilot refuses to be prepared for said attack._ is a strawman even though people already repeated this is completely false. You just show on this thread you have ZERO argument, only personal attacks and trolls. What you are doing is just trolling. Again, and again, and again, everytime someone says an activity you do is imbalanced. You are the waste of the forum. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 9:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363/654 "2018-08-22T09:18:44Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Yes, because you have no argument at all. > Because all you do is trolling. It’s perfectly possible and reasonable for people to have differing views and not be trolling. The only troll here is you. It’s you MO in just about every thread where you don’t like what someone’s opinion is. It’s pretty immature. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 9:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363/655 "2018-08-22T09:19:36Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > It’s perfectly possible and reasonable for people to have differing views and not be trolling. Which you are not doing. As I said, the post above are trolls. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 9:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363/656 "2018-08-22T09:20:43Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > which you re not doing. Then you haven’t read the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 9:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363/657 "2018-08-22T09:21:27Z")
Yes, and I even answered to you - and then you just affirmed I did not answer. That’s just trolls. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 9:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363/658 "2018-08-22T09:27:42Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > and then you just affirmed I did not answer. I don’t think so. You might not like my my view that just claiming that computing power and game logic are different is not an argument, but that’s the case. It’s a declaration. A perfectly correct one, but it is not an argument of any technical limitation that demonstrates understanding of why the game mechanics are the way they are. There’s nothing trolling in that. There is no explanation of any technical limit in that statement. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 9:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363/659 "2018-08-22T09:44:16Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > it is not an argument of any technical limitation And I did not said it was. I already corrected you before on that point : > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > No, that is an explanation why your reasoning, which I quoted, is wrong. You are just repeating the same false thing, again. The technical limitation was described a few post above. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 9:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363/660 "2018-08-22T09:52:21Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > And I did not said it was. I already corrected you before on that point : This is what you wrote: > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > That’s why we say it is a technical limitation. > > Just like tidi. > > In an ideal world, we would have no limit ; game engine and game logic would be in sync. In reality, we have limitations complexity and computing power, so game logic and game engine are different. Maybe you meant something different to what you wrote, but these are your words. None of that is an explanation that shows why the mechanics are the way they are. It’s just opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 9:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363/661 "2018-08-22T09:56:09Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > This is what you wrote: And then ? What’s the meaning of that post ? Your post have 0 argument, once more. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 10:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363/662 "2018-08-22T10:00:34Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > And then ? What’s the meaning of that post ? I don’t think you have a clue. That provides no explanation of why or how this “technical limitation” means the game mechanics around bumping are the way they are. It’s just an opinion and as an opinion it’s fine, but has little value unless it’s validated. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Your post have 0 argument, once more. Like for like I guess. However, there isn’t anything to argue against, because your post doesn’t provide any argument to counter. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 10:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363/663 "2018-08-22T10:41:34Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > That provides no explanation of why or how this “technical limitation” means the game mechanics around bumping are the way they are. Indeed. So what ? There is still ZERO argument. > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > However, there isn’t anything to argue against, because your post doesn’t provide any argument to counter. So you don’t understand my point, and instead of asking for clarification you just start nonsense. That is exactly what I’ve been describing as troll. and YET I already made more explanations for this specific part, which you just ignore and keep repeating the same WRONG thing. That’s why I say you are the waste of the forum. Just a waste of time trying to discuss with you. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363.md?page=32) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363.md?page=34)