# Balancing Hi-Sec Freighter Bump Mechanics **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [August 4, 2018, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363 "2018-08-04T20:37:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![Mike\_Voidstar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mike_voidstar/32/280496_2.png) [@Mike\_Voidstar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mike_Voidstar)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 2:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363/684 "2018-08-23T02:48:35Z")
> [@Siegfried\_Cohenberg](#): > > I dont think it is generous. Its my god (James 315) given right to bump freighters. Very amusing on a player level. Has nothing to do with Balancing Hi-Sec Freighter Bump Mechanics. ---
**Author:** ![Siegfried\_Cohenberg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/siegfried_cohenberg/32/423311_2.png) [@Siegfried\_Cohenberg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Siegfried_Cohenberg)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 2:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363/685 "2018-08-23T02:52:13Z")
> [@Mike\_Voidstar](#): > > Very amusing on a player level. Has nothing to do with Balancing Hi-Sec Freighter Bump Mechanics. It has everything to do with balancing hi-sec freighter bump mechanics. Gankers don’t need another nerf to their part of the game. Haulers already have it good enough as it is. ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 11:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363/686 "2018-08-23T11:26:29Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > Do you have a verified case where someone went over even 30 minutes or are you just making up extremes? Again, this really has to be done with and stop being questioned for good. @Siegfried_Cohenberg has already stated in this very thread that he and others regularly do it… And again, that’s NOT the question either. That does NOT prove that bumping is tackling. It just proves that during all the time the freighter was bumped neither the victim nor anyone willing to help him (if any) was able to figure how to get away… ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 11:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363/687 "2018-08-23T11:30:56Z")
here we are, gankers crying because they don’t want their activity to be nerfed. That’s all it is about actually, your so full of salt you’re denser than mercury. All you are doing is trolling when people point out that bumping circumvents the need of a point to keep a target under concord protection, and allows BAD gankers to take all their time. You keep crying because you can’t accept that your activity is imbalanced and needs to be nerfed. I have one word for you mister carebear : HTFU. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 11:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363/688 "2018-08-23T11:51:56Z")
@Anderson_Geten at least gankers bring valid points and not debunked ones 😂 Get good ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 12:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363/689 "2018-08-23T12:20:29Z")
Your approach is a good one. The only detail you’re missing is the fact that the amount of people, who are being affected by this, is so absurdedly small that there is no actual point in changing anything at all. 99.99999% of all people complaining about bumping have not been bumped even once. They all complain “for others”, because it makes them believe that they are being perceived as good people. ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 12:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363/690 "2018-08-23T12:32:41Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > The only detail you’re missing is the fact that the amount of people, who are being affected by this, is so absurdedly small that there is no actual point in changing anything at all. Nope, I have no idea what the percentage of affected pilots is, but I already stated in a previous post that it isn’t clear to me at all there is an actual problem that needs fixing here. I’m just trying to help keep the discussion rational with arguments based on facts. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 12:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363/691 "2018-08-23T12:55:01Z")
That’s a fair point. It still is important to consider, though, that there is no reason to believe that it affects a lot of people, because there are not actually that many people around who bump freighters. We know pretty much all of them. Also important to remember is the fact (this time really) that carebears always tend to overly exaggerate that which they perceive as a problem. Always. Thanks for your answer! ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363/692 "2018-08-23T13:27:07Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > Also important to remember is the fact (this time really) that carebears always tend to overly exaggerate that which they perceive as a problem. Always. it’s not important, because this means nothing. Your terms are so general they could fit in a fortune cookie. Plus it’s totally arrogant and insulting for people. “people who don’t think as me actually are wrong”. Or maybe you mean people crying that CCP must not nerf bumping are carebears, in that case I can only agree with you. They say they are the big boys, but in the end of the day they cry when someone talks about breaking their toy. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 1:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363/693 "2018-08-23T13:38:39Z")
It means everything. As usual, Anderson wants to make people believe that it is a bad thing to consider that the person/people/groups you are dealing with could have ulterior motives, be dishonest and lying through their teeth just so they get what they want. I **knew** you would show up trying to spread that nonsense again. There is nothing more to add. vOv ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 1:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363/694 "2018-08-23T13:51:01Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > It means everything. Grow up kid, you are nothing. People here calling themselves “gankers” have been trolling this thread with dishonest answers. Like it or not, that’s how it is. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363/695 "2018-08-23T14:00:29Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Grow up kid, you are nothing. The bad forum warrior threw mean words at me again. : ( ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 2:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363/696 "2018-08-23T14:22:44Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > “people who don’t think as me actually are wrong”. Isn’t that what you do 95% of the time? 😂 > [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > The bad forum warrior threw mean words at me again Rip ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 2:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363/697 "2018-08-23T14:42:57Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > Isn’t that what you do 95% of the time? 😂 Do what ? there is not even a verb that can be used with “do” in your quote. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363/698 "2018-08-23T14:44:32Z")
That’s how you think. As evidently proved many times above and in other threads ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363/699 "2018-08-23T14:50:48Z")
What I do personally think is just completely irrelevant. MY way of thinking was never an argument in this topic, while solst 's were. He was the one saying “it’s important”, then “it’s everything”. Again, you’re just trolling with personal aggression completely unrelated to the topic. After that, the fact that you re unable to accept a DISCUSSION needs to have different opinions is not even a matter - even though it proves you are not mature enough to have discussions. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 3:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363/700 "2018-08-23T15:03:34Z")
How us that personal agression? I’m just calling things like I and others see them. Should I call the Wambulance for your hurt feelings? 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 3:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363/701 "2018-08-23T15:25:55Z")
Vote for close … no discussion anynor … only 1 who think that everybody is a troll and this is gonna be absolutley useless… ---
**Author:** ![Siegfried\_Cohenberg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/siegfried_cohenberg/32/423311_2.png) [@Siegfried\_Cohenberg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Siegfried_Cohenberg)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363/702 "2018-08-23T19:45:55Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > here we are, gankers crying because they don’t want their activity to be nerfed. > > That’s all it is about actually, your so full of salt you’re denser than mercury. All you are doing is trolling when people point out that bumping circumvents the need of a point to keep a target under concord protection, and allows BAD gankers to take all their time. > > You keep crying because you can’t accept that your activity is imbalanced and needs to be nerfed. > I have one word for you mister carebear : HTFU. Um excuse me, calling me dense isnt very nice. Ganking is very balanced, thank you very much. Theres nothing imbalanced at all about a very tiny portion of the playerbase killing freighters. The barrier to entry is really hard to break through. New freighters gankers are rare and they don’t stick around in the long term like code and goons. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Voidstar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mike_voidstar/32/280496_2.png) [@Mike\_Voidstar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mike_Voidstar)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 7:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363/703 "2018-08-23T19:55:42Z")
Bumping =/= ganking. Ganking is fine, if it follows the applicable rules of high sec. Bumping is being used to circumvent those rules, which makes it the problem, one fixed by simply limiting similarly to other forms of tackle. Compromise can even be granted by putting it on an escort and providing a reasonable spoolup, currently suggested at 5 min, though CCP’s suggested timer was 3 minutes. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363.md?page=34) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/balancing-hi-sec-freighter-bump-mechanics/95363.md?page=36)