# BAN the practice of NERFING ships, and repurpose them! BRING back the Antigank Marauders! **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [August 29, 2025, 10:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ban-the-practice-of-nerfing-ships-and-repurpose-them-bring-back-the-antigank-marauders/496705 "2025-08-29T10:38:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2025, 10:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ban-the-practice-of-nerfing-ships-and-repurpose-them-bring-back-the-antigank-marauders/496705/1 "2025-08-29T10:38:03Z")
If the DEVS wants to introduce a new mechanic, for a ship, that is BUFFING. If introducing a new mechanic to ship, involves NERFING or in some cases completely repurpose the ship in question, that practice should be BANNED!!! If DEVS feels there is a hole in the utility of a ship, the it should CREATE a NEW ship, with those NEW characteristics. We would have 10 more frigates, 6 more destroyers, 8 more T2 variants for all factions, 18 new battleships and 40 new Marauders. Stop MESSING around with existing SHIPS design!!! Give us back our Antigank Marauders!!! Make NEW Marauders instead, that are more fit for PVP and Fleets OP, that might not use the current Bastion module and have the Antigank extender buff, but something else. CCP Please, shift your philosophy! PS: It make us returning players mad every damn time!!! We don’t know if one ship has been changed and to what amount. There are no WARNINGS when activating our ships that something has changed! We might see a red module and now the old fit don’t fit anymore! This happens EVERYTIME I get away for sometime and then come back! The Marauders NERF was giant! I DIDNT KNOW IT HAPPENED!!! I Just went out as usual after a long break away from Eve, just to suddenly find me deep into a lv4 mission, and my TANK was bleeding into STRUCTURE!!! BAN the practice of nerfing ships, PLEASE! ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2025, 11:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ban-the-practice-of-nerfing-ships-and-repurpose-them-bring-back-the-antigank-marauders/496705/2 "2025-08-29T11:09:58Z")
But if a BUFF to your damage is a NERF to how long my ship can stay alive against you, what then? Would a nerf like that be allowed according to you? Nerfs and buffs are two sides of the same coin. It’s only your perspective that determines if a change is a buff or a nerf, and EVE has many playstyles all with their own perspectives. If you mean with ‘no nerfs’ that positive numbers of ships are only allowed to go up, what happens if those numbers are _too high_? Buff the damage of all other ships as well if one ship deals too much damage? What about the ships that are meant to remotely repair this damage which are effectively ‘nerfed’ by such a game-wide damage buff any time one ship deals too much damage. Do they all too get buffs? It sounds incredibly effective to me if 1 out of 100 ships is problematic to change 99 other ships instead of 1, just because the numbers are not allowed to go down. And what about changes that are neither buffs nor nerfs? Like a rework that gives a ship a new role like Vexor Navy Issues were changed from drone ratting ships to hybrid drone brawlers, or the problematic Muninns were changed from turrets to missiles? Not allowed either? Your demand is unrealistic and naive. If you ask me anyone who asks for a live game with regular updates ‘without nerfs’ should be disqualified of giving game feedback. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2025, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ban-the-practice-of-nerfing-ships-and-repurpose-them-bring-back-the-antigank-marauders/496705/3 "2025-08-29T11:18:06Z")
> [@Queotzcatl](#): > > If the DEVS wants to … NERFING or in some cases completely repurpose the ship in question, that practice should be BANNED!!! Not entirely sure how. - You mean devs should be prevented from accessing their own game backend? - Iceland police should arrest them if they try to nerf a ship? - Or would it be the Metropolitan Police as the servers are in the UK? - Will they get a restraining order if they try to nerf ships? - Would they be fined (as a company or individually or both) every time they attempt to nerf ships? - Would Hilmar pay the fines from his own pocket? - Would players receive compensation for CCP’s `wrongdoing` of nerfing their ships in the form of PLEX or even real-life ca$h? - Will devs attempting to implement nerfs serve jail time in a real-life prison or would it be house arrest only? - What about devs even just thinking of nerfs, will the `thought police` ambush them and bring them to court? 🤔 :psyccp: 🤭 :ccpguard: ---
**Author:** ![Meona\_Sherie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/meona_sherie/32/469285_2.png) [@Meona\_Sherie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Meona_Sherie)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2025, 11:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ban-the-practice-of-nerfing-ships-and-repurpose-them-bring-back-the-antigank-marauders/496705/4 "2025-08-29T11:44:36Z")
How can the devs _ban_ something they _want_ to do? > [@Queotzcatl](#): > > If DEVS feels there is a hole in the utility of a ship, the it should CREATE a NEW ship I agree with that, even if I feel it isn’t going to happen. ---
**Author:** ![Shaigh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shaigh/32/430164_2.png) [@Shaigh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shaigh)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2025, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ban-the-practice-of-nerfing-ships-and-repurpose-them-bring-back-the-antigank-marauders/496705/5 "2025-08-29T15:34:16Z")
> [@Queotzcatl](#): > > BAN the practice of nerfing ships, PLEASE! The owners aren’t going to ban themselves from manipulating the game and ships, but I agree that they have misused their nerfing power for all the wrong reasons… The ganking community cried that the Orca and Rorqual were too hard to gank, so they nerfed both ships to appease them… Since then, I think that they unnerfed the Orca because it was a ridiculous BS nerf… It was the same reason why they nerfed the marauders under the BS rationale of bringing “balance”… They nerfed the warp core stabilizers for the exact same reason with the added agenda of deliberately hindering alpha accounts from getting through gate camps to force Omega purchases for the covert and black ops to get through them… Bottom line…you are absolutely right that they shouldn’t be allowed to change the rules and manipulate the game in the middle of the game for their own selfish reasons… I know alot of people who have quit the game over this BS, but the owners don’t seem to give a damn about anything other than to squeeze the game for as much money as they can… ---
**Author:** ![Akkar\_Kardashev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akkar_kardashev/32/514189_2.png) [@Akkar\_Kardashev](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akkar_Kardashev)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2025, 3:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ban-the-practice-of-nerfing-ships-and-repurpose-them-bring-back-the-antigank-marauders/496705/6 "2025-08-29T15:48:09Z")
I would like sub 2s aligning Marauders please and remove the movement restriction from the Bastion module. I’d like to be orbiting a gate while Bastioning. Also, interdiction sphere launchers for marauders. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Fuchs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/james_fuchs/32/504955_2.png) [@James\_Fuchs](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/James_Fuchs)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2025, 7:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ban-the-practice-of-nerfing-ships-and-repurpose-them-bring-back-the-antigank-marauders/496705/7 "2025-08-29T19:00:41Z")
> [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > - Iceland police should arrest them if they try to nerf a ship? > - Or would it be the Metropolitan Police as the servers are in the UK? UK police have no jurisdiction over Iceland, so regardless of where the server is placed, only the Icelandic authorities could pursue the devs in their home country. They could ask the devs to be extradited, Iceland and the UK have both signed the european convention on extradition afterall. They could also slap a big fat RED NOTICE on CCP devs via INTERPOL. Ultimately though, none of this is binding for Iceland and they could choose to simply not act on it. BUT, the UK could arrest devs that are residing within it’s own territory! They would have to launch an investigation beforehand and identify the devs that are engaged in the illegal act of nerfing. That means finding probable cause (or REASONABLE GROUNDS as they say in the UK), search warrants, interrogating developers and then charging them for unfair trading / consumer practices. Then a judge will laugh it out of the courtroom and we’ll have a new headline for all the news articles. Maybe a mass riot on the other day. Hard to say. With lawful regards -James Fuchs ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2025, 10:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ban-the-practice-of-nerfing-ships-and-repurpose-them-bring-back-the-antigank-marauders/496705/8 "2025-08-29T22:48:54Z")
> [@James\_Fuchs](#): > > no jurisdiction over Iceland Maybe in a not too far future it could become the jurisdiction of the US police or military. Considering the expansionist dreams of a certain US president Iceland might become a US state soon enough. 🤔 👀 :psyccp: 🤭 ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Lord\_Trump](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_lord_trump/32/411482_2.png) [@Dark\_Lord\_Trump](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Lord_Trump)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2025, 3:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ban-the-practice-of-nerfing-ships-and-repurpose-them-bring-back-the-antigank-marauders/496705/9 "2025-08-30T03:31:34Z")
The monkey’s paw curls. CCP doubles the DPS and EHP of all ships except the one you’re flying. Enjoy your “not nerfed” ship. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2025, 5:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ban-the-practice-of-nerfing-ships-and-repurpose-them-bring-back-the-antigank-marauders/496705/10 "2025-08-30T05:55:43Z")
> [@Dark\_Lord\_Trump](#): > > CCP doubles the DPS and EHP of all ships except the one you’re flying. Enjoy your “not nerfed” ship. `sad ganker noises` 😈 ---
**Author:** ![Nabi\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nabi_kim/32/390748_2.png) [@Nabi\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nabi_Kim)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2025, 7:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ban-the-practice-of-nerfing-ships-and-repurpose-them-bring-back-the-antigank-marauders/496705/11 "2025-08-30T07:17:20Z")
I like to RANDOMLY capitalize LETTERS!!! ---
**Author:** ![Lydra\_Victor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lydra_victor/32/515931_2.png) [@Lydra\_Victor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lydra_Victor)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2025, 9:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ban-the-practice-of-nerfing-ships-and-repurpose-them-bring-back-the-antigank-marauders/496705/12 "2025-08-30T09:39:26Z")
> [@Queotzcatl](#): > > DEVS > [@Queotzcatl](#): > > NERFING DEV’S AREN’T YOUR FRIENDS. They are part of the PVP ecosystem in Eve-Online. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2025, 10:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ban-the-practice-of-nerfing-ships-and-repurpose-them-bring-back-the-antigank-marauders/496705/13 "2025-08-30T10:39:51Z")
> [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > Or would it be the Metropolitan Police as the servers are in the UK? ‘Hello, is that the Met Police ?’ ‘Yes’ ‘I’d like to report a major crime’ ‘Ah….you’ve come through to the Burglaries, Muggings, and Fraud Department…..hold on while I put you through to the Major Tweet Misdemeanours And EVE Nerfs Department. They do the serious crime ’ ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2025, 10:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ban-the-practice-of-nerfing-ships-and-repurpose-them-bring-back-the-antigank-marauders/496705/14 "2025-08-30T10:58:28Z")
What I find most interesting is the _thought process_ behind the general idea that a game developer should _ban_ the practice of applying balance- and/or design-changes to his own product. I mean… _ **what?** _ ---
**Author:** ![Player\_Based\_Hate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/player_based_hate/32/472063_2.png) [@Player\_Based\_Hate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Player_Based_Hate)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2025, 11:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ban-the-practice-of-nerfing-ships-and-repurpose-them-bring-back-the-antigank-marauders/496705/15 "2025-08-30T11:25:47Z")
I agree! Give us Tornado V2, that can one shoot any of these new ships, no matter the amount of shield tank it has! WE WANT MORE GANKING SHIPS! The loot I get from randomly sitting on Perimeter gate for hours is just silly low. We need MORE pew pew in game, YOU( ccp) nerfed all PVE loot in game, so GIVE US more firepower to do more ganking! It is INSANE that I need FOUR chars to kill and loot a damn t1 hauler!!! And all these people are putting in, is lame up to 1.5bil loot. Most of the time I am at positive zero and other time hard loss. Ganking is just not worth it anymore! MORE POWER TO GANKING PEW PEW! ---
**Author:** ![Meona\_Sherie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/meona_sherie/32/469285_2.png) [@Meona\_Sherie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Meona_Sherie)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2025, 6:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ban-the-practice-of-nerfing-ships-and-repurpose-them-bring-back-the-antigank-marauders/496705/16 "2025-08-31T06:31:00Z")
> [@Player\_Based\_Hate](#): > > Ganking is just not worth it anymore! ![1000007286](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/2/e/02eaff8ca2a667ae7d86900355cebf43a87eed65.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Player\_Based\_Hate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/player_based_hate/32/472063_2.png) [@Player\_Based\_Hate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Player_Based_Hate)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2025, 9:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ban-the-practice-of-nerfing-ships-and-repurpose-them-bring-back-the-antigank-marauders/496705/17 "2025-08-31T09:32:46Z")
I have a job- ganking job. ---
**Author:** ![Meona\_Sherie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/meona_sherie/32/469285_2.png) [@Meona\_Sherie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Meona_Sherie)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2025, 9:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ban-the-practice-of-nerfing-ships-and-repurpose-them-bring-back-the-antigank-marauders/496705/18 "2025-08-31T09:54:16Z")
> [@Player\_Based\_Hate](#): > > randomly sitting on Perimeter gate for hours That doesn’t seem like a real job. Do you even get tips, medical, dental.. ? > [@Player\_Based\_Hate](#): > > It is INSANE that I need FOUR chars to kill and loot a damn t1 hauler!!! **☝I agree with you there. It’s completely ridiculous!** 👆 > [@Player\_Based\_Hate](#): > > Ganking is just not worth it anymore! Is it possible to go on strike and bargain or… what? ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2025, 12:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ban-the-practice-of-nerfing-ships-and-repurpose-them-bring-back-the-antigank-marauders/496705/19 "2025-08-31T12:44:53Z")
> [@Player\_Based\_Hate](#): > > It is INSANE that I need FOUR chars to kill and loot a damn t1 hauler!!! The whole EVE system of ‘balance’ is somewhat insane. There’s no real reason why a frigate should be able to destroy a battleship, but they introduce a bizarre turret tracking system that handicaps the battleship and allows kiting. Never mind that real battleships _also_ have smaller and faster tracking turrets and guns, in addition to the big guns, precisely for that purpose. ![0_QikvYQhmtoHKbfVq](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/5/2/a5282bdd1dbbfdcdf9556f348a06505e1deff707.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2025, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ban-the-practice-of-nerfing-ships-and-repurpose-them-bring-back-the-antigank-marauders/496705/20 "2025-08-31T14:16:21Z")
I bought a ship. It’s mine. I want to put a SKINR on it I paid PLEXS for it, I want it to be sticky. Maybe CCP could develop some kind of Implant systems for Ships-specific hulls. You train “YOUR” ship , and when you sell it, its stats are consistent. But this isn’t possible if we DONT OWN THE SHIPS in the first PLACE! Why Do I feel you people are so very similar to Finnish people? I don’t know… I hate Finnish police enforcement, they always steal my XXX…. if only your police could care enough BUT I DOUBT IT, IT MUST GET DRUNK WITH OTHER GUYS possessions… (metaphorically speaking) PS. The T3 skills are PERFECT as they are now…! [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ban-the-practice-of-nerfing-ships-and-repurpose-them-bring-back-the-antigank-marauders/496705.md?page=2)