# Banned Players need flags on char accounts **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 22, 2020, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banned-players-need-flags-on-char-accounts/268520 "2020-09-22T13:58:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 8:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banned-players-need-flags-on-char-accounts/268520/54 "2020-09-22T20:31:03Z")
In the UK, you have to tick the box even for a CCJ. Which Ive had, because an employer claimed they overpaid me and I refused to pay it back (on the grounds they were a bank and that door doesnt travel both ways) and missed the hearing on clerical grounds. Needles to say I dont bother ticking it. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 8:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banned-players-need-flags-on-char-accounts/268520/55 "2020-09-22T20:35:04Z")
Seriously? Missed the bit about you working in the finance sector. For certain jobs I can understand them asking but I’ve never encountered it in my line of work. That said I have had to go through security clearances and criminal record checks for certain contracts my employers were involved in. I’ve signed the official secrets act more times than I can remember too. ---
**Author:** ![Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archer_en_tilavine/32/461718_2.png) [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archer_en_Tilavine)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banned-players-need-flags-on-char-accounts/268520/56 "2020-09-22T20:37:07Z")
I pledged to conduct myself better on the forums, so I only say the following because he subject himself to intense scrutiny as a CSM candidate (who strongly I suspect will run again): Brewlar has an extensive history of posting very extreme, narrow-minded, and objectively naive views on botting, RMT, and other “bad actors”. Most of his ideas have been soundly rejected by the community, notably when he recently ran for CSM. > [@Brewlar Kuvakei bringing an end to botting & game moderator corruption](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/brewlar-kuvakei-bringing-an-end-to-botting-game-moderator-corruption/238549/): > > Proposing my tenure on the council. Single issues above all else for proposal, no further input required on any other subject until these core issues are resolved. A) An instant End to botting. Introduction of proper account registration, verified by legitimate email address. All accounts will require a Visa/Paypal/Master Card registered account. Piggy backing upon their security like most other reputable digital corporations already do. Elimination of static PVE & introduction of CAPTHA or … There are numerous other posts that have followed along the same lines. This thread is just one of many. Oddly enough, “public branding” has more merit than some of his other ideas, and while it has a considerable subjective component to it, the objective aspects far outweigh them. Here’s the problem with public branding: public branding = CCP-sanctioned ostracization / weaponization of threats/framing = second class citizenship = not true clemency. Do it right, or don’t do it at all. It is not CCP’s place to directly or indirectly sanction the ostracization of or encourage the community to ostracize an individual. The community should make such decisions organically like they always have in the past. If players want to call out others for botting, RMT, racism, etc, the community can respond accordingly. Regarding the forums specifically, forum rules are delicate but surprisingly flexible on ‘call out’ threads when crafted carefully - several such call out threads have persisted even after ISD has evaluated them. Threads calling out player misbehavior persist in “Crime and Punishment” if there is an accompanying “call to action”, and threads shredding individuals for their conduct in the context of “political controversies of relevance to New Eden” often persist in General Discussion (eg. the [ongoing Noori Naarian + alts thread is a perfect example](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sico-is-no-longer-a-target-for-me-icanp-still-is/223738)), etc. And even if forums are too restrictive… there is, of course, Reddit, where there is no shortage of controversy. > [@Mike\_Azariah](#): > > I was and am of the opinion that name and shame should be done for bannings. Say why they were banned, what they were doing, who they were and what alliance they belonged to. Public executions. The community already does this very organically on forums and Reddit. Do you agree with Brewlar that this should also be done by CCP themselves? (Shown in game, listed on CCP website, accessible via ESI, etc?) Clarification would be appreciated. > [@Shipwreck\_Jones](#): > > Of course, I have no sympathy for RMT’ers, hate speech, and stuff like that, but I’d like to think that the people who are getting second chances are knuckleheads who made a mistake, and not RMT’ers and egregious scumbags. Indeed, this proposal ignores the fact that certain classes of players are excluded as well as chronic/high-magnitude offenders. Take this anonymous fellow, for example: I had this very entertaining (abridged) conversation with a random person who contacted me on Discord yesterday who is unlikely to get redemption. > XXX: BRO im trying to get back on eve online but im _ **perma banned for 3 strikes by Senior CCP GM and for racism** _ > > Me: I mean, racism isn’t something that happens on accident 🤷‍♂️ > > But this may interest you if you’re trying to get the ban lifted: [Capsuleer Redemption | EVE Online](https://www.eveonline.com/article/qgr81o/capsuleer-redemption) > > XXX: ■■■■■■■ christ dude > > > The following actions remain expressly prohibited and will still result in a permaban if the allegations are substantiated: > > > > Extreme and repeated racism and/or hate speech > > Me: 🤷‍♂️ > > XXX: i emailed them so wish me luck, i wont distract you Needless to say, I did not wish him luck or respond to him after that. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 8:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banned-players-need-flags-on-char-accounts/268520/57 "2020-09-22T20:45:54Z")
YEah, I mean, I totally see your point, and (C&P aside, I always was under the impression it was more lightly handled, being basically the comedy bargain bin run off of GD) I can even see how CCP might work edgey cases but he’s fixated on a subject to the point of assuming anyone who even corrects his grammar is pro-botting. As your post, no I totally get the spirit, even was thinking it my self when he started about marking the offender permanently, just it was a bit too on the nose. No harm done, though. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 8:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banned-players-need-flags-on-char-accounts/268520/58 "2020-09-22T20:47:30Z")
Yeah, totally. Suffice to say, I have no interest in working in finance again anyway. Since 2008 its a mug’s game. ---
**Author:** ![Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archer_en_tilavine/32/461718_2.png) [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archer_en_Tilavine)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 8:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banned-players-need-flags-on-char-accounts/268520/59 "2020-09-22T20:49:28Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > anyone who even corrects his grammar is pro-botting. If you read his CSM campaign thread, he categorically accused LITERALLY EVERYONE who disagreed with him for ANY reason (including the fact that his ideas where flawed on technological grounds) as being pro-botters. As a CSM candidate, he refused to accept constructive criticism, and he categorically refused to address the technological flaws of his ideas as well; instead, he responded to all reservations and opposition with insults. I was the last post in the thread and had fun with it: > [@Brewlar Kuvakei bringing an end to botting & game moderator corruption](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/brewlar-kuvakei-bringing-an-end-to-botting-game-moderator-corruption/238549/56): > > [Uncle Brewlar apparently dropped out](https://www.eveonline.com/article/qajoai/csm-15-know-your-candidates), so this is a VICTORY FOR ALL PRO-BOTTERS EVERYWHERE!!! (Aka those who pointed out his ideas were neither grounded in reality nor relevant to CSM.) ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 8:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banned-players-need-flags-on-char-accounts/268520/60 "2020-09-22T20:49:46Z")
Merchant Banker isn’t cockney rhyming slang for Wayne Kerr for nothing 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 8:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banned-players-need-flags-on-char-accounts/268520/61 "2020-09-22T20:52:58Z")
Sounds like that plonker Noori tbh, anybody that disagrees with him is goonscum. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 8:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banned-players-need-flags-on-char-accounts/268520/62 "2020-09-22T20:53:25Z")
Oh jeezy creezy, I just thought maybe he got up this morning, stepped on a D4 and went GGRR RBOTTTEERRZZZ!!! But I see its pretty engrained. Jonah: +1 Like for that last one, Im all out of spuds for me love gun sadly. But they gave me a nice badge for being a good girl As you can see Im in good company ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/0/2/024a64aa488b9e3b0cac17573bf838942d016e04.png) ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 8:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banned-players-need-flags-on-char-accounts/268520/63 "2020-09-22T20:54:00Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > There is zero reason to stigmatize these players or otherwise identify them, like they’re some kind of second class citizens because they made a mistake and were granted clemency. But “Actions have Consequences”, right? Otherwise, let players change their name… –Gadget would still be Gadget, though ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Azariah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mike_azariah/32/512626_2.png) [@Mike\_Azariah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mike_Azariah)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 9:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banned-players-need-flags-on-char-accounts/268520/64 "2020-09-22T21:02:48Z")
> [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](#): > > The community already does this very organically on forums and Reddit. Do you agree with Brewlar that this should also be done by CCP themselves? There are problems with each side of this. Reddit can be brigaded, biased, etc and we are not always getting the word of what happened but what we _think_ happened. But there have been cases of CCP walking back a public name and shame (not mentioning any CSM names here) I think this is the reason they will not do this, it has too many real world consequences. But a guy can dream. As to the scarlet letter proposal? Yeah, I will pass widely around that one. If they are back they have been forgiven. I think it also comes down to what IS forgivable? I mean death threats? Racism in all its ugly forms? Botting? RMT? What crime would you decide is not that bad and to let back into the game. IF you let them in will it be good for the game or just giving them another kick at the can so they can ‘Go out in a **Big** way’ this time? m ---
**Author:** ![Phaakia\_Lohngtiem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phaakia_lohngtiem/32/230308_2.png) [@Phaakia\_Lohngtiem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phaakia_Lohngtiem)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 9:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banned-players-need-flags-on-char-accounts/268520/65 "2020-09-22T21:13:51Z")
If CCP decides to let previously banned players back in EVE then it’s their decision and I a good one in my opinion. Your idea of a flag on them is childish, ludicrous and mean-spirited. Plus it gives more work to the coders who already have enough on their plate. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 9:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banned-players-need-flags-on-char-accounts/268520/66 "2020-09-22T21:28:21Z")
> [@Mike\_Azariah](#): > > Ah, there was your first mistake, believing anything said on the Meta Show. Hey now, we do some actual news in between providing the Most Trusted Name in Smug. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 9:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banned-players-need-flags-on-char-accounts/268520/67 "2020-09-22T21:29:13Z")
> [@Buoytender\_Bob](#): > > Any rough ideas on how many pilots/players we are talking about? I have asked that they post the numbers in a few months. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 9:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banned-players-need-flags-on-char-accounts/268520/68 "2020-09-22T21:31:14Z")
> [@Mike\_Azariah](#): > > I was and am of the opinion that name and shame should be done for bannings. Say why they were banned, what they were doing, who they were and what alliance they belonged to. Public executions. This is a bad idea, for obvious reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archer_en_tilavine/32/461718_2.png) [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archer_en_Tilavine)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 9:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banned-players-need-flags-on-char-accounts/268520/69 "2020-09-22T21:38:14Z")
> [@Mike\_Azariah](#): > > not mentioning any CSM names here I think we all know what you’re talking about… Briscgate, where Brisc promised the removal of Red Dots months ago but hasn’t delivered. > [@CSM 15 Week 4 Update](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-15-week-4-update/254080/1): > > Oh, one last thing, Y’all owe Brisc a thanks for bringing up the Red Dot almost at almost every opportunity when we are talking with the Devs. Yeah, that merits a public execution right there. Vote of no confidence! Impeachment! Throwing of tomatoes and feces! You had it coming, @Brisc_Rubal , you lying and deceitful bastard! 🚫🔴🚫🔴🚫🔴 ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/c/9/c903f46489d88665930ed7164ec1ae48819e76eb.jpeg) 🚫🔴🚫🔴🚫🔴 I’m pretty sure that’s what Mike is referring to… 🤪 BTW @Mike_Azariah you could have just said “no” as the answer to my question 😉 . And @Brisc_Rubal if you read the above you’d see Mike doesn’t support OP’s proposal. Damn you and your “I respond as I read” shenanigans. You and your “5-minute doctor’s visit” community engagement outside of your nullbloc… pfft… 👹 ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Azariah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mike_azariah/32/512626_2.png) [@Mike\_Azariah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mike_Azariah)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 9:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banned-players-need-flags-on-char-accounts/268520/70 "2020-09-22T21:46:07Z")
> [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](#): > > BTW @Mike_Azariah you could have just said “no” as the answer to my question 😉 Have you ever known me to not explain? m ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 9:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banned-players-need-flags-on-char-accounts/268520/71 "2020-09-22T21:46:40Z")
Did you ever explain the thing about the dudes with the camera heads? ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banned-players-need-flags-on-char-accounts/268520/72 "2020-09-22T21:47:16Z")
I’M WORKING IN IT ROME WASNT BUILT IN A DAY GOD ---
**Author:** ![Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archer_en_tilavine/32/461718_2.png) [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archer_en_Tilavine)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 9:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banned-players-need-flags-on-char-accounts/268520/73 "2020-09-22T21:55:12Z")
# Briscgate II: Attack of The Red Dots This time, it’s personal. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banned-players-need-flags-on-char-accounts/268520.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banned-players-need-flags-on-char-accounts/268520.md?page=4)