# Banning repeated gankers from highsec **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [March 7, 2018, 8:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banning-repeated-gankers-from-highsec/61576 "2018-03-07T08:20:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banning-repeated-gankers-from-highsec/61576/283 "2018-04-06T16:38:14Z")
1+1 can equal 3, but only if you forget about birth control. ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 4:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banning-repeated-gankers-from-highsec/61576/284 "2018-04-06T16:45:20Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Its simply a language/sequence of 0s and 1s, as yes/no, defined by their sequence, not by addition/subtraction/multiplication/division. Sorry you don’t understand binary. There are 10 types of people in the world when discussing it. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 4:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banning-repeated-gankers-from-highsec/61576/285 "2018-04-06T16:46:19Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Its like you are asking me why 1+1=3. 1+1=3 for very large values of 1. I don’t expect you to understand that though since you don’t even understand basic science 😂 > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Ask me the ONE simple question you want, and I will answer it the best I can. If we assume that ganking is bad for new player retention, does that imply that new players who get ganked are less likely to subscribe than players who are not ganked or lose a ship by other means? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 4:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banning-repeated-gankers-from-highsec/61576/286 "2018-04-06T16:46:54Z")
> [@MinerArt](#): > > 10 kek. Touche. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banning-repeated-gankers-from-highsec/61576/287 "2018-04-06T16:50:53Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > 1+1=3 for very large values of 1. > > I don’t expect you to understand that though since you don’t even understand basic science I have no idea how a value of 1 can be greater or lesser than a value of 1. Either you are an idiot, or an idiot savant that understands math better than anyone else, ever. I seriously doubt the latter. > [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > If we assume that ganking is bad for new player retention, does that imply that new players who get ganked are less likely to subscribe than players who are not ganked or lose a ship by other means? If we assume that premise, implication and other conditionals in your query as true, the answer is yes. PS: I asked for a SIMPLE question, as you claimed your query was. The above was anything but simple, by any measure of syntax. You didnt need to try and jam everything in there at once to try and twist it, and my answer. I would have answered any subsequent “simple” questions as well. PPS: Your question above is exactly the kind of convoluted syntax that wrecks the validity of scientific studies/discourse. No scientist with any sense, ever, would ask a question as convoluted as yours above on a questionnaire for data collation, nor of another scientist. ---
**Author:** ![Netan\_MalDoran](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/netan_maldoran/32/426257_2.png) [@Netan\_MalDoran](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Netan_MalDoran)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banning-repeated-gankers-from-highsec/61576/288 "2018-04-06T17:11:21Z")
I feel that miners should be banned from highsec for mining too many rocks. Think of all those orphaned rock children because you mined out their parents to empty husks just to fill your wallets! ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 5:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banning-repeated-gankers-from-highsec/61576/289 "2018-04-06T17:14:45Z")
> [@Netan\_MalDoran](#): > > Think of all those orphaned rock children because you mined out their parents to empty husks just to fill your wallets! Hate to break it to you, but rocks dont produce offspring. In EVE, they magically re-appear. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banning-repeated-gankers-from-highsec/61576/290 "2018-04-06T17:20:57Z")
Hate to break it to you, but that went way over your head _ **And it’s gone** _ Rip ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banning-repeated-gankers-from-highsec/61576/291 "2018-04-06T17:23:57Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > I have no idea how a value of 1 can be greater or lesser than a value of 1. > > Either you are an idiot, or an idiot savant that understands math better than anyone else, ever. Because there is a scientific notation where ony the significant digits are written rounded. This means that 1 is actually 1 +/- 0.5 and the error gets added with +/-0.5 + +/-0.5 = +/-1. So for very large values of 1 that means 1.49999 + 1.49999 = 3. So what did we learn? If you think a question is stupid or has no answer it may very well have an answer and it was actually not tje question which was stupid. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > If we assume that premise, implication and other conditionals in your query as true, the answer is yes. So if we conduct a study and find that people who are ganked are actually more likely to subscribe, that means the premis is falsified. The notion that ganking new players harms new player retention is therefor wrong. Was that too complicated? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 5:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banning-repeated-gankers-from-highsec/61576/292 "2018-04-06T17:24:33Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > Hate to break it to you, but that went way over your head Did it? I’m pretty sure I caught it and broke its neck. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banning-repeated-gankers-from-highsec/61576/293 "2018-04-06T17:39:51Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > Because there is a scientific notation where ony the significant digits are written rounded. If they are rounded, then the remainder is lost, and accuracy is lost. > [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > So for very large values of 1 that means 1.49999 + 1.49999 = 3. Yes, cos its not 1, as you claimed earlier, its 1.499 repeating and rounded up to 3. > [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > So what did we learn? I learned you are stupid and dont understand that 1 is not the same as 1.499 repeating, and that rounding reduces validity/accuracy, > [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > So if we conduct a study and find that people who are ganked are actually more likely to subscribe, that means the premis is falsified. Again, the language you use is all wrong and unscientific, and shows you dont know what scientific method entails. Studies are not conducted on basis of any premise, except if its based on another study, where the previous study constituted a premise, Your attempt to substitute “premise” for “hypothesis”, again, is false. > [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > The notion that ganking new players harms new player retention is therefor wrong. What do you define as “new player”? How do you identify/address specifically a cohort to match that definition? How do you test that it was suicide ganking that caused attrition? > [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > Was that too complicated? It wasn’t complicated, just utter unscientific crap. What is complicated, is the scientific method, which you clearly don’t understand or know. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banning-repeated-gankers-from-highsec/61576/295 "2018-04-06T17:42:35Z")
lol, why do I even try. It really is all way over your head it seems. How someone can be this confused over simple things is just surprising. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banning-repeated-gankers-from-highsec/61576/296 "2018-04-06T17:43:30Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > How someone can be this confused over simple things is just surprising. Dunning Kruger explains it. You are unaware of how ignorant you are. ---
**Author:** ![Ag3nt\_Jita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ag3nt_jita/32/48115_2.png) [@Ag3nt\_Jita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ag3nt_Jita)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banning-repeated-gankers-from-highsec/61576/297 "2018-04-06T17:44:32Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > So what did we learn? > > I learned you are stupid 🤣🤣🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banning-repeated-gankers-from-highsec/61576/298 "2018-04-06T17:45:43Z")
Its my turn to ask you a simple question: Do you think 1 and 1.4999 repeating, is the same thing or has the same value? ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 5:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banning-repeated-gankers-from-highsec/61576/299 "2018-04-06T17:49:31Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > You are unaware of how ignorant you are. 🤔 :facepalm: ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banning-repeated-gankers-from-highsec/61576/300 "2018-04-06T17:50:45Z")
I doubt you would understand an answer if you had trouble the first time. So I will not waste my time any longer. Lol. ---
**Author:** ![Ag3nt\_Jita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ag3nt_jita/32/48115_2.png) [@Ag3nt\_Jita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ag3nt_Jita)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 5:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banning-repeated-gankers-from-highsec/61576/302 "2018-04-06T17:53:31Z")
> [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > Some people in here sure are mega retarded Welcome to the club boi… 1+1? 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banning-repeated-gankers-from-highsec/61576/303 "2018-04-06T18:01:12Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > I doubt you would understand an answer if you had trouble the first time. So I will not waste my time any longer. Lol. I probably wouldn’t understand your answer, cos it would be nonsense. Look, Ima, seriously. I’m sure you are very good at suicide ganking, but when it comes to scientific method and studies, you are way out of your depth. Ive been taught the method, how to analyze studies, not just in the hard sciences but also in soft. I don’t blame you for not knowing what that entails. Science is very hard and very demanding, for good reason. I understand/know that better than you, thanks to my education, but I’m not an expert either. * * * Surely you and I can both agree, that it would not be a bad thing if CCP ran another, better, and wider study on player attrition (suicide ganking being just one factor in that)? More data is good, yes? ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banning-repeated-gankers-from-highsec/61576/304 "2018-04-06T18:33:52Z")
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