# Banning repeated gankers from highsec **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [March 7, 2018, 8:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banning-repeated-gankers-from-highsec/61576 "2018-03-07T08:20:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 6:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banning-repeated-gankers-from-highsec/61576/505 "2018-05-23T06:09:08Z")
> [@Ildrara](#): > > Easier for me huh. > […] > K lol Wow, you really have trouble making coherent arguments and thoughts, don’t you? You really think that making incoherent pointless remarks makes you look smart? > [@Ildrara](#): > > Citadels were a buff. A buff to what? Citadels are a new feature that opens a wide array of new possibilities for everybody and affects everybody equally. Criminals just happen to make use of that feature like everybody else. > [@Ildrara](#): > > What is wrong with proposing the buff being removed? That there is no buff in the first place. That it would increase complexity both in game mechanics and in software development through the introduction of special cases that need to be handled differently for no benefit to the game that I can see. That it would actually be detrimental because it would remove forms of gameplay that are currently possible, like bumping them out of tether to kill them. That there is not a problem caused by citadel tethering in this context that needs to be fixed. Your _motivations_ for wanting it to be removed… > [@Ildrara](#): > > I was suicide ganking ships long before citadels were introduced. LOL, so what? Are you saying you’re actually a ganker that thinks tethering is too much of a buff to what you do and would rather have it removed? 🤣 > [@Ildrara](#): > > Do you honestly believe that removing tethering from yellow and red flashing people that ganking will be nerfed? And you ask me this _after_ saying it’s a buff that needs to be removed? ROFLMAO 🤣 It’s not me who thinks removing tethering would nerf ganking. It’s YOU who says it was a buff that needs to be removed. I’m criticising your _motivations_ for wanting the feature to be removed. I’m criticising that you want tethering to be removed for the sole reason that YOU _think_ it would be detrimental to suicide ganking, and you don’t care at all whether the effort and added complexity of removing that feature is worth doing or whether it’s good or bad for the game as a whole. I personally don’t care if things are one way or another. I just play the game the way it is and prefer to spend my time understanding the game mechanics and adapting to them instead of pretending they should be changed to make things easier for me… ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 6:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banning-repeated-gankers-from-highsec/61576/506 "2018-05-23T06:29:37Z")
> [@Lenneth\_Invicta](#): > > So, this thread has devolved into semantic arguments and other petty crap? Shocker. Yeah it is always the same with salvos. You leave a thread for a few minutes and you come back to a complete chaos of hundreds of salvos posts, just because he has some issues with a simple word where he thinks he has some special insight other don’t have (most of the time it’s something extremely obvious no one else would even bother bringing up in the first place). ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 6:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banning-repeated-gankers-from-highsec/61576/507 "2018-05-23T06:37:18Z")
The funny thing is that the same people not long ago where crying constantly that CCP should disable docking in NPC stations for gankers so that we would need to use Citadels so they can attack our base of operation. I already told them back then that they wouldn’t attack them anyway, just make up an excuse like “trow away Citadel” and just cry for the next nerf. Since we can place Citadels wherever we want we are already using them “pre NPC station nerf (lol)” and already we have first calls to nerf Citadels. @Ildrara so why are you not just wardecing the Citadel where they stage from? What is your excuse for asking for special rules when you could actually attack the enemies base of operation directly? Sounds like more interesting content to me than just scraming a Cat until facpo kills it, but looks like that is what you are looking for. ---
**Author:** ![Ildrara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ildrara/32/56659_2.png) [@Ildrara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ildrara)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 6:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banning-repeated-gankers-from-highsec/61576/508 "2018-05-23T06:37:31Z")
> [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > So what? I didn’t say nor imply otherwise You did though. You said it would make it easier for me. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > To me it looks like you just want yet one more nerf to suicide ganking to make it easier for you Here is where you said I wanted to make it easier for me. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > It’s YOU who is asking the game mechanics to be changed to make it easier for you And here is where you’re saying it again. So I guess you did “say or imply otherwise.” > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > Wow, you really have trouble making coherent arguments and thoughts, don’t you? So you contradicted yourself and you think I have trouble? > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > That there is no buff in the first place. If you don’t think it is a buff to flashy yellow and red players then why do you care if it is removed? > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > That it would increase complexity both in game mechanics and in software development Like that would be so hard. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > That it would actually be detrimental because it would remove forms of gameplay that are currently possible Like the Titan and Dread spawns in null anomalies and NPCs switching aggro nerfed PVE players. God forbid a PVP player get nerfed though. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > And you ask me this _after_ saying it’s a buff that needs to be removed? ROFLMAO 🤣 You say it isn’t a buff at all so what do you care? > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > That there is no buff in the first place. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > I personally don’t care if things are one way or another. Then stay out of it and let the players that do care talk about it. ---
**Author:** ![Ildrara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ildrara/32/56659_2.png) [@Ildrara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ildrara)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 6:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banning-repeated-gankers-from-highsec/61576/509 "2018-05-23T06:42:44Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > The funny thing is that the same people not long ago where crying constantly that CCP should disable docking in NPC stations for gankers so that we would need to use Citadels so they can attack our base of operation. I never said anything like that. Nice try I guess. > [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > @Ildrara so why are you not just wardecing the Citadel where they stage from? War deccing citadels that don’t belong to the gankers is just hurting players that have nothing to do with it. > [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > Sounds like more interesting content to me than just scraming a Cat until facpo kills it, but looks like that is what you are looking for. Do you honestly believe someone would just hold a Catalyst indefinitely and wait for faction police? Yeah okay. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 6:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banning-repeated-gankers-from-highsec/61576/510 "2018-05-23T06:56:34Z")
> [@Ildrara](#): > > I never said anything like that. Nice try I guess. I’m sorry, you carebears look all alike. > [@Ildrara](#): > > War deccing citadels that don’t belong to the gankers is just hurting players that have nothing to do with it. Yeah, really bad excuse. But I’m not surprised that this is not about “content” at all and just another attempt at making something you don’t like in the game more difficult by fiat-CCP because you can’t be arsed to use the available game mechanics to do something about it yourself. > [@Ildrara](#): > > Do you honestly believe someone would just hold a Catalyst indefinitely and wait for faction police? Yeah okay. 15s is not indefinitely. There is a reason we have to use insta undock bookmarks. If you can catch a -5 ganker with a disruptor he will die a few seconds later to facpo. If you would remove the tethering all that would happen is that we would go back to insta undock bookmarks and you would be back here on the forums crying again, since we adapted and you are still as useless as you where before, because you don’t think it is your responsibility to come up with ways to fight your enemy. ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 7:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banning-repeated-gankers-from-highsec/61576/511 "2018-05-23T07:01:53Z")
> [@Ildrara](#): > > You did though. You said it would make it easier for me. > […] > Here is where you said I wanted to make it easier for me. > […] > And here is where you’re saying it again. So I guess you did “say or imply otherwise.” Where exactly did I say or imply that you flew freighters or had ever been ganked? I was referring to you wanting to make it easier for you to kill them, not to avoid being suicide ganked. > [@Ildrara](#): > > So you contradicted yourself Where have I contradicted myself? The statements you quoted from me show no contradiction on my part at all. Again, I did not say nor imply you fly freighters or have been ganked, and it does definitely look like the sole reason you want tethering removed is that you _think_ that would make it easier for you (to kill them)… > [@Ildrara](#): > > and you think I have trouble? Yes, definitely, and you keep proving it every time you post in this thread, like this: > [@Ildrara](#): > > If you don’t think it is a buff to flashy yellow and red players then why do you care if it is removed? And you ask me this again in reply to the very post where I replied to your question “What is wrong with proposing the buff being removed?”, completely ignoring what I said there… Well, done, nuff said… ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 9:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banning-repeated-gankers-from-highsec/61576/512 "2018-05-23T09:14:41Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > Yeah it is always the same with salvos. Its always the same with you too. You dont want suicide ganking being recognized/addressed as a unique phenomenon, with specific mechanics distinct from ganking. ---
**Author:** ![Mortlake](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mortlake/32/510240_2.png) [@Mortlake](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mortlake)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 9:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banning-repeated-gankers-from-highsec/61576/513 "2018-05-23T09:52:25Z")
![rene-magritte-this-is-not-an-apple-1964](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/8/3/831182694241b264c61d99d52663460b388b3b0d.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Anne\_la\_Renarde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anne_la_renarde/32/74132_2.png) [@Anne\_la\_Renarde](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anne_la_Renarde)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 11:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banning-repeated-gankers-from-highsec/61576/514 "2018-05-23T11:37:49Z")
This thread in a nutshell ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 1:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banning-repeated-gankers-from-highsec/61576/515 "2018-05-23T13:02:47Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > You dont want suicide ganking being recognized/addressed as a unique phenomenon, with specific mechanics distinct from ganking. I don’t care about your problem with the word ganking and your inability to deduce what a word means based on the context of the thread. This seems to be a reoccurring problem with you in every thread. Somehow you have a hard time actually comprehending what people are talking about and then after 20 posts of rambling and 5 people trying to explain it to you you try to sell us some made up definition as an enlightenment you had and only you could see… You have a serious issue with comprehending basic things people talk about and trash whole threads in an attempt to cover it up… And even that is obvious to everyone. Your are just a toll salvos. No insight into anything was ever gained by anyone ever by talking to you, it is a complete waste of time. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banning-repeated-gankers-from-highsec/61576/517 "2018-05-23T16:18:23Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > You have a serious issue with comprehending basic things people talk about and trash whole threads in an attempt to cover it up… And even that is obvious to everyone. > > Your are just a toll salvos. No insight into anything was ever gained by anyone ever by talking to you, it is a complete waste of time. Tell me, what is the difference between suicide ganking and ganking? ---
**Author:** ![Sarma\_Kutra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sarma_kutra/32/74375_2.png) [@Sarma\_Kutra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sarma_Kutra)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 6:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banning-repeated-gankers-from-highsec/61576/518 "2018-05-23T18:30:59Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Tell me, what is the difference between suicide ganking and ganking? Suicide ganking is like ganking but it involves suicide. Ganking without an element of suicide is not suicide ganking. Commiting suicide after a non-suicide gank is silly and unnecessary, much like your posts, and this one. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 7:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banning-repeated-gankers-from-highsec/61576/519 "2018-05-23T19:36:32Z")
Thanks, but I asked Ima. ---
**Author:** ![Anne\_la\_Renarde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anne_la_renarde/32/74132_2.png) [@Anne\_la\_Renarde](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anne_la_Renarde)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banning-repeated-gankers-from-highsec/61576/520 "2018-05-23T20:18:31Z")
Does it matter who answered? It’s still the proper answer. No matter what your opinion is ---
**Author:** ![Noragen\_Neirfallas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/noragen_neirfallas/32/375148_2.png) [@Noragen\_Neirfallas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Noragen_Neirfallas)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 8:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banning-repeated-gankers-from-highsec/61576/521 "2018-05-23T20:35:04Z")
Aren’t there like a dozen or more code. Citadels between hek and jita pipe alone? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 8:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banning-repeated-gankers-from-highsec/61576/522 "2018-05-23T20:43:18Z")
> [@Anne\_la\_Renarde](#): > > It’s still the proper answer. I know the difference. I want to hear Ima state it. ---
**Author:** ![Anne\_la\_Renarde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anne_la_renarde/32/74132_2.png) [@Anne\_la\_Renarde](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anne_la_Renarde)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 9:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banning-repeated-gankers-from-highsec/61576/523 "2018-05-23T21:09:18Z")
There is no difference One is the other, and the other is not. Back to the _all red apples are apples, but not all apples are red_… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 9:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banning-repeated-gankers-from-highsec/61576/524 "2018-05-23T21:12:07Z")
This thread is missing an obligatory Grr Goons™ and desperately needs the chain of pedantry present to be broken. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/6/0/60e3b34fb9282df5ae3e26c5ad3a9ab0d2baaf00.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2018, 9:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/banning-repeated-gankers-from-highsec/61576/525 "2018-05-23T21:21:20Z")
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