# Best ship for Alphas to mine with thats not a venture? **URL:** \ **Category:** Mining & Extraction\ **Created:** [February 16, 2018, 10:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/best-ship-for-alphas-to-mine-with-thats-not-a-venture/57743 "2018-02-16T22:30:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Jeb\_Ozuwara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jeb_ozuwara/32/288968_2.png) [@Jeb\_Ozuwara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jeb_Ozuwara)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 10:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/best-ship-for-alphas-to-mine-with-thats-not-a-venture/57743/1 "2018-02-16T22:30:50Z")
any good ones? ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 10:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/best-ship-for-alphas-to-mine-with-thats-not-a-venture/57743/2 "2018-02-16T22:46:25Z")
You can mine in any ship that has a turret slot, but there are no ships available to Alphas that are bonused for mining other than the Venture. The best you can get besides the Venture is a battleship such as the Rokh or Abaddon. ---
**Author:** ![Jeb\_Ozuwara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jeb_ozuwara/32/288968_2.png) [@Jeb\_Ozuwara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jeb_Ozuwara)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 11:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/best-ship-for-alphas-to-mine-with-thats-not-a-venture/57743/3 "2018-02-16T23:07:07Z")
are there any ships with massive cargo holds but have at least 2 turret hardpoints? ---
**Author:** ![TheGuy\_Akachi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theguy_akachi/32/478757_2.png) [@TheGuy\_Akachi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TheGuy_Akachi)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 11:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/best-ship-for-alphas-to-mine-with-thats-not-a-venture/57743/4 "2018-02-16T23:30:38Z")
Mining battleships is the best for yield. Downside of course is cargo. Don’t think there is any options that have barge yield with a decent ore/cargohold. ---
**Author:** ![Dolly\_Varden](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dolly_varden/32/174150_2.png) [@Dolly\_Varden](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dolly_Varden)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 11:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/best-ship-for-alphas-to-mine-with-thats-not-a-venture/57743/5 "2018-02-16T23:33:19Z")
There’s some haulers like the hoarder for example with 2 turret hardpoints but i think a venture outdoes them. There are several options for mining cruisers and battleships but small cargos ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 11:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/best-ship-for-alphas-to-mine-with-thats-not-a-venture/57743/6 "2018-02-16T23:57:00Z")
There are no cargo ships with more than one turret slot that also have a large cargo hold. The Hoarder has 2 turrets slots and a 60k m3 hold, but the hold is for ammunition only. The other cargo transports that have dedicated ore holds only have one turret slot. If you haven’t noticed yet, CCP is way ahead of you when considering how to limit ships so certain types of players can’t just turn on a couple of mining lasers and leave the room for 4 hours and come back to a crapload of ore. Not to mention, any cargo hauler you use for mining would get nuked by a single ganker in a few seconds. Your only choices as an Alpha are the Venture, or a battleship. ---
**Author:** ![Jeb\_Ozuwara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jeb_ozuwara/32/288968_2.png) [@Jeb\_Ozuwara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jeb_Ozuwara)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 12:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/best-ship-for-alphas-to-mine-with-thats-not-a-venture/57743/7 "2018-02-17T00:02:08Z")
dang it ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Little](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/do_little/32/411571_2.png) [@Do\_Little](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Do_Little)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 8:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/best-ship-for-alphas-to-mine-with-thats-not-a-venture/57743/9 "2018-02-17T08:30:20Z")
I’m always surprised at the number of people complaining about the Venture. It is a superb little ship. 5K M3 capacity with frigate cost and speed. Decent yield with 2 bonused lasers. What’s not to like! The problem people are experiencing is that the ship is too good and an oversupply of ore is depressing the price. Mining more won’t fix that - you need to mine strategically. The best ISK/hour with a Venture will be gas mining but, if you want the safety of highsec - mine ore that is rich in Mexallon (Plagioclase, Kernite, or Jaspet which can be found in ore anomalies). Compress the ore and sell it in Jita. ---
**Author:** ![Mac-Gregor1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mac-gregor1/32/40381_2.png) [@Mac-Gregor1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mac-Gregor1)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 10:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/best-ship-for-alphas-to-mine-with-thats-not-a-venture/57743/10 "2018-02-17T10:28:05Z")
Battleship. Rokh can be pretty good because of tan bonus. Of course you need to use jetcan mining or have friend to haul because of smal cargo bay but you can get near or even better than retriver if doing it right. ---
**Author:** ![Wanda\_Fayne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wanda_fayne/32/377654_2.png) [@Wanda\_Fayne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wanda_Fayne)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 11:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/best-ship-for-alphas-to-mine-with-thats-not-a-venture/57743/11 "2018-02-17T11:28:56Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > but there are no ships available to Alphas that are bonused for mining other than the Venture Not true. The Vexor, for example, gets a bonus to mining drones. There are still a few combat ships around that have mining bonuses like this. Arbitrator too. ---
**Author:** ![Kapronov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kapronov/32/162268_2.png) [@Kapronov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kapronov)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 12:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/best-ship-for-alphas-to-mine-with-thats-not-a-venture/57743/12 "2018-02-17T12:00:05Z")
Bonused for alpha… Mining Drones are Omega restricted. ---
**Author:** ![Wanda\_Fayne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wanda_fayne/32/377654_2.png) [@Wanda\_Fayne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wanda_Fayne)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 12:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/best-ship-for-alphas-to-mine-with-thats-not-a-venture/57743/13 "2018-02-17T12:06:17Z")
Fair enough. Best ship (not venture) is Omega ship… ---
**Author:** ![Piugattuk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/piugattuk/32/292316_2.png) [@Piugattuk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Piugattuk)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 1:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/best-ship-for-alphas-to-mine-with-thats-not-a-venture/57743/14 "2018-02-17T13:16:39Z")
There is an answer to this, your not gonna like it; Miasmos Mining fit Plagioclase Deep core mining laser II Plagioclase mining crystal II Mining upgrades II X 4 24 cycles per hour at 149.7 sec (boosted) 1274 units per cycle X 24 @ 60 min = 30,576 units / 10,701.6 m3 1,780,000 ISK @ 58.10 ISK per unit @ 1 hour cycle. Veldspar Veldspar mining crystal II (all other fits the same). 4461 units / 446.1 m3 70,394.58 ISK per cycle @ 149.7 sec (boosted). 1,689,469.92 ISK @ 60 min @ 24 cycles per hour. * * * Miasmos Mining fit (El Cheapo). Civilian Mining laser Mining upgrades I X 4 mods 113 units per cycle / 6 cycles per min / 360 cycles @ 1 hour = 610,200 ISK at 15 ISK per unit ---
**Author:** ![Kapronov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kapronov/32/162268_2.png) [@Kapronov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kapronov)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/best-ship-for-alphas-to-mine-with-thats-not-a-venture/57743/15 "2018-02-17T13:29:01Z")
Modulated Deep Core Miner II is also restrcited to omega 😉 Miner II is the best they can use. (except for ORE Mining Laser which is 400m each, so not really an option) ---
**Author:** ![Piugattuk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/piugattuk/32/292316_2.png) [@Piugattuk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Piugattuk)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 1:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/best-ship-for-alphas-to-mine-with-thats-not-a-venture/57743/16 "2018-02-17T13:37:19Z")
Yeah, I know, it was a quick copy and paste job, stuff I did before, I was lazy and didn’t want to remove it, what op wants is not really possible, the venture really is the way to go, I dismissed all others because there is nothing more optimal then the venture for alphas, I literally used it last night. ---
**Author:** ![Mac-Gregor1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mac-gregor1/32/40381_2.png) [@Mac-Gregor1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mac-Gregor1)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 1:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/best-ship-for-alphas-to-mine-with-thats-not-a-venture/57743/17 "2018-02-17T13:49:53Z")
BS is 4x this with miners II only > [@Give Alphas the ability to use Mining Barges!](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/give-alphas-the-ability-to-use-mining-barges/57462/21): > > Here’s an example Rokh mining setup that can be flown by an Alpha clone: [57] 70% cap stable 109k EHP (Omni) 194k EHP (Kin/Therm) 686 m3/min (Solo) 1,147 m3/min (Orca Boost) 41,184 m3/hour (Solo) 68,832 m3/hour (Orca Boost) This is pretty much the cheapest, best tanked, most efficient Rokh mining setup that you can get for an Alpha clone. If you want to sink more ISK into it, you can replace the rigs with T2 variants. This setup is passive, which makes it neut-proof, but the shield re… ---
**Author:** ![Piugattuk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/piugattuk/32/292316_2.png) [@Piugattuk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Piugattuk)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 1:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/best-ship-for-alphas-to-mine-with-thats-not-a-venture/57743/18 "2018-02-17T13:52:14Z")
But hardly practical if they are unhappy with a venture they will be even more unhappy with a BS because of the lack of a ore bay. ---
**Author:** ![Mac-Gregor1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mac-gregor1/32/40381_2.png) [@Mac-Gregor1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mac-Gregor1)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/best-ship-for-alphas-to-mine-with-thats-not-a-venture/57743/19 "2018-02-17T15:04:04Z")
I know this is game and all is about fun but wasting your time when you can make something 5x faster at same profit is bad idea anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Piugattuk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/piugattuk/32/292316_2.png) [@Piugattuk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Piugattuk)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 3:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/best-ship-for-alphas-to-mine-with-thats-not-a-venture/57743/20 "2018-02-17T15:55:16Z")
And that takes the person to expect reasonable conditions, most people don’t have it, I can break it down but this is much more, so you give them some info and hope the see it…but again it takes a person to be reasonable, most aren’t. ---
**Author:** ![Chainsaw\_Plankton](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chainsaw_plankton/32/256180_2.png) [@Chainsaw\_Plankton](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chainsaw_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 11:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/best-ship-for-alphas-to-mine-with-thats-not-a-venture/57743/21 "2018-02-17T23:04:08Z")
> [@Do\_Little](#): > > I’m always surprised at the number of people complaining about the Venture. It is a superb little ship. 5K M3 capacity with frigate cost and speed. Decent yield with 2 bonused lasers. What’s not to like! I can make more money faster doing other things, that’s what’s not to like. But if you think it’s fun, well good for you. [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/best-ship-for-alphas-to-mine-with-thats-not-a-venture/57743.md?page=2)