# \[BIG BUG?\] Any member in a corp can make the whole corp got wardeced **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 11, 2020, 4:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/big-bug-any-member-in-a-corp-can-make-the-whole-corp-got-wardeced/218807 "2020-02-11T04:03:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Governor\_Lee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/governor_lee/32/310016_2.png) [@Governor\_Lee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Governor_Lee)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 4:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/big-bug-any-member-in-a-corp-can-make-the-whole-corp-got-wardeced/218807/1 "2020-02-11T04:03:54Z")
Good evening, Tonight I m sharing a “bug” or something has abit nonsense of wardec mechanics. Its maybe new for you, maybe not because you’ve heard or used it but I think it should be adjusted or fixed. That any member in a corp, can just haul a POCO (Player owned customs Office) and deploy it without any corp access needed, to make the whole corp war eligible. It happend to my corp tonight, just a member with 0 roles assigned, joined and deployed it. I mean if everyone can do that, what is the point of only allow CEO/Director or strucutre manager deploy war-eligible structures like citadels etc. Since anyone in any corp can just skip that and make everyone in trouble. I suggest we can add some limitation like what we added on corp mail spamms controls before. Not sure what you think about it. Lee ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 4:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/big-bug-any-member-in-a-corp-can-make-the-whole-corp-got-wardeced/218807/2 "2020-02-11T04:06:31Z")
Might want to make a bug report…posting here is mostly pointless. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 4:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/big-bug-any-member-in-a-corp-can-make-the-whole-corp-got-wardeced/218807/3 "2020-02-11T04:20:44Z")
Or, instead of begging CCP for more immunity to PvP, you could try putting some effort into keeping spies and other threats out of your corp. I know it would reduce your farming efficiency to have to be selective in your membership instead of accepting everyone willing to join, but that’s life in EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 4:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/big-bug-any-member-in-a-corp-can-make-the-whole-corp-got-wardeced/218807/4 "2020-02-11T04:39:32Z")
Yeah don’t be stupid. You can’t keep spies out, it’s too easy to make a clean alt. I mean I assume you aren’t that dumb right to not know that. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 4:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/big-bug-any-member-in-a-corp-can-make-the-whole-corp-got-wardeced/218807/5 "2020-02-11T04:43:45Z")
That’s actually pretty hilarious that something that small completely negates the changes CCP made to wardecs… ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 4:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/big-bug-any-member-in-a-corp-can-make-the-whole-corp-got-wardeced/218807/6 "2020-02-11T04:48:04Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > Yeah don’t be stupid. > You can’t keep spies out, it’s too easy to make a clean alt. > I mean I assume you aren’t that dumb right to not know that. Correction: you can’t keep spies out while simultaneously mass recruiting hordes of newbies. Making a clean alt doesn’t help much if you only accept players with 10 years of employment history, players you know IRL, etc. The more selective you are the more likely it is that you only accept legitimate players and avoid any issues with spies. Alternatively, you could accept that an occasional war is the price you pay for increased efficiency in recruiting and just deal with it. After all, EVE is a PvP game and you should expect PvP to be a part of life. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 4:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/big-bug-any-member-in-a-corp-can-make-the-whole-corp-got-wardeced/218807/7 "2020-02-11T04:50:00Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > That’s actually pretty hilarious that something that small completely negates the changes CCP made to wardecs… And I pray they keep it as-is, since the war changes were so profoundly stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Bernie\_Nator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bernie_nator/32/390552_2.png) [@Bernie\_Nator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bernie_Nator)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 5:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/big-bug-any-member-in-a-corp-can-make-the-whole-corp-got-wardeced/218807/8 "2020-02-11T05:03:54Z")
I like it. Means you cant hide behind a holding corp. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 6:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/big-bug-any-member-in-a-corp-can-make-the-whole-corp-got-wardeced/218807/9 "2020-02-11T06:13:10Z")
Unanchor it and the wardec goes away. There can’t be that many spies and free planets. Putting up structures should probably be restricted by roles, but i don’t want this to be changed until ccp re-think the silly situation of wardecs/social corps and breathe some life into hi-sec pvp. Until then content creators need just about every work around they can get. ---
**Author:** ![Palydin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/palydin/32/277469_2.png) [@Palydin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Palydin)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 6:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/big-bug-any-member-in-a-corp-can-make-the-whole-corp-got-wardeced/218807/10 "2020-02-11T06:32:23Z")
Yeah the problem is the POCO can be anchored in a random wormhole that is very hard to find. And I don’t think you can transfer a POCO unless you find the system. So a corp that this happens to would be vulnerable to being wardecced for a long time. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 6:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/big-bug-any-member-in-a-corp-can-make-the-whole-corp-got-wardeced/218807/11 "2020-02-11T06:48:16Z")
Likely an oversight, but a funny one. @CCP_Fozzie @FC_Convict FYI just in case this isn’t bug reported ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 7:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/big-bug-any-member-in-a-corp-can-make-the-whole-corp-got-wardeced/218807/12 "2020-02-11T07:30:43Z")
That is amusing. ---
**Author:** ![Lonely\_Man](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lonely_man/32/176026_2.png) [@Lonely\_Man](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lonely_Man)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 7:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/big-bug-any-member-in-a-corp-can-make-the-whole-corp-got-wardeced/218807/13 "2020-02-11T07:43:11Z")
You probably have the transfer structure feature on, in which case you screwed up. ---
**Author:** ![Tintallei\_Sharan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tintallei_sharan/32/373000_2.png) [@Tintallei\_Sharan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tintallei_Sharan)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 8:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/big-bug-any-member-in-a-corp-can-make-the-whole-corp-got-wardeced/218807/14 "2020-02-11T08:10:56Z")
Oh. Wish mean that tonight I will login in a War-decced corp. Nice! Let’s (try to) kick some ass. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 8:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/big-bug-any-member-in-a-corp-can-make-the-whole-corp-got-wardeced/218807/15 "2020-02-11T08:22:43Z")
Or we could just remove that war eligibility nonsense and enable wars for all corps again like it was before. The whole change did not have the effect they promised (huge influx of new and returning players) so we should just roll it back. ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 8:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/big-bug-any-member-in-a-corp-can-make-the-whole-corp-got-wardeced/218807/16 "2020-02-11T08:26:23Z")
Are you bipolar? In my topic you ramble on and on and on about how people would abuse the system with spy alts and I tell you that corp officials can check chars before accepting them and take mechanical steps to prevent spies from harming your corp and here your first response is “don’t take in spies”. You really need to work on your coherence. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 8:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/big-bug-any-member-in-a-corp-can-make-the-whole-corp-got-wardeced/218807/17 "2020-02-11T08:40:59Z")
Dont let strangers join if you are scared of decs. Simples. ---
**Author:** ![Celine\_Sophia\_Maricadie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/celine_sophia_maricadie/32/178829_2.png) [@Celine\_Sophia\_Maricadie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Celine_Sophia_Maricadie)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 9:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/big-bug-any-member-in-a-corp-can-make-the-whole-corp-got-wardeced/218807/18 "2020-02-11T09:53:20Z")
The point of the issue is that there appears to be a loophole in the corp mechanics, and to a degree the wardec mechanics. Anyone can drop a POCO frame, without roles. You do need roles to upgrade it to a full POCO. The way this works is that the POCO frame gets dropped (by the spy), and then the corp gets wardecced. The spy then takes down the frame. You find yourself in a 24 hour war. The spy does the same thing just prior to the war ending and it creates a new 24 hour war. I’m not sure if the aggressing corp/alliance pays the wardec fee again, but the notifications indicate that they do. Each 24 hour war is automatically in the final 24 hour cooldown, and each “new” war seems to be it’s own war rather than the what you’d see with a normal war being extended. It would seem this is exploiting an unintended loophole in what a qualifying structure is, or an unintended loophole with not requiring roles to drop a POCO frame, and even wardec mechanics themselves. Easiest solution at this time is to identify and kick the spy. This seems an issue worth ticketing. If GMs respond that this is working as intended, then it’s not an exploit. By the way, I only heard of this happening very recently. Seems that at least one alliance is using this currently to create grief wars. I have heard some putting in support tickets on losses since it appears the mechanic of this situation is “broken”. Regardless, EVE is a PvP game. Best attitude is to expect it when you don’t expect it. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 10:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/big-bug-any-member-in-a-corp-can-make-the-whole-corp-got-wardeced/218807/19 "2020-02-11T10:16:44Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > Yeah don’t be stupid. Don’t feed the troll. ---
**Author:** ![Sordina1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sordina1/32/158264_2.png) [@Sordina1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sordina1)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 11:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/big-bug-any-member-in-a-corp-can-make-the-whole-corp-got-wardeced/218807/20 "2020-02-11T11:11:56Z")
Since this actually might bring someone from CCP I will post some links to just show how bug free current system is. > [@Not able to get war assistance due to broken game mechanics](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/not-able-to-get-war-assistance-due-to-broken-game-mechanics/204781): > > was recently decced by Phoenix Naval, and they made themselves not war eligible the very same minute, no way of countering this. please fix [image] > [@Faction Fortizar War Decced and can not get assistance due to game mechanics. Willing to give away station](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-fortizar-war-decced-and-can-not-get-assistance-due-to-game-mechanics-willing-to-give-away-station/204689): > > We have a Faction Draccous Fortizar put it up to get a epic battle. So now the final timer is 12/6/2019 21:08 EVE time. We were decced By Phoenix Naval Systems. And within one minute their corp that had the structure for war Eligibly, left their corp. so now even though it says the war is open, they will get a message saying they cannot. By looking at their history, it looks like a game mechanics Phoenix has been using over and over. Sent: 2019.12.04 10:02 Phoenix Naval Systems has declared wa… > [@Bail any Wardec as you please- rly CCP? boom](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bail-any-wardec-as-you-please-rly-ccp/189639): > > It came to my notice that any war opponent can easily BAIL any released Wardec by simply shifting it´s War HQ aka last station to a holding Corp during a war. Is that really how it´s supposed to be? The agressor pays 100m ISK and the Defender simply says LOL and shifts stations any time he get´s decced? The new war mechanics makes it super easy for any Corp to bail consequences and are - in my opinion - avoiding real conflicts and deny content in EVE. But the mentioned possibility makes warde… OP: consider writing this on reddit. You will definitely find someone from CCP there rather here. [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/big-bug-any-member-in-a-corp-can-make-the-whole-corp-got-wardeced/218807.md?page=2)