# Bitter Vets versus Better Vets **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 3, 2021, 3:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bitter-vets-versus-better-vets/339945 "2021-12-03T15:15:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 9:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bitter-vets-versus-better-vets/339945/83 "2021-12-04T09:01:52Z")
Aiko and I would still be here, and we’re cute, so we’re worth, like, at _least_ ten people each. ---
**Author:** ![Wavemistress\_Moidel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wavemistress_moidel/32/211447_2.png) [@Wavemistress\_Moidel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wavemistress_Moidel)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 9:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bitter-vets-versus-better-vets/339945/84 "2021-12-04T09:04:21Z")
Good for you there’s always a few, personally, I’ve paid for my plex with in-game currency this month, real-world cash is being withheld at this present time. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 9:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bitter-vets-versus-better-vets/339945/85 "2021-12-04T09:05:06Z")
That just means you gave CCP _more_ money, not less. ---
**Author:** ![Wavemistress\_Moidel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wavemistress_moidel/32/211447_2.png) [@Wavemistress\_Moidel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wavemistress_Moidel)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 9:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bitter-vets-versus-better-vets/339945/86 "2021-12-04T09:10:04Z")
Cost me nothing vr money is vr money. someone buying plex with isk is cheaper than 2 people paying for a sub. I usually sub. I’ve stopped my sub when I run out of isk im going to quit. a couple of hundred sp points and years of training. When the money runs out so will I. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 9:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bitter-vets-versus-better-vets/339945/87 "2021-12-04T09:14:23Z")
You don’t _need_ to wait, you can quit _right now._ Make sure to contract everything to me before you go (cute person privilege). ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 9:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bitter-vets-versus-better-vets/339945/88 "2021-12-04T09:19:59Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > How do you know that action wasn’t taken? They might’ve been warned, or temporarily silenced/suspended. Because they talked about it when later CCP removed them from a help channel - precisely for the reason of having hate speech in that channel. ---
**Author:** ![Wavemistress\_Moidel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wavemistress_moidel/32/211447_2.png) [@Wavemistress\_Moidel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wavemistress_Moidel)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 9:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bitter-vets-versus-better-vets/339945/89 "2021-12-04T09:20:22Z")
Destiny your surely Corrupted XD. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 9:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bitter-vets-versus-better-vets/339945/90 "2021-12-04T09:21:53Z")
destiny is Eve’s physics engine. No wonder it’s corrupted, with the amount of salt it has to bear every day. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 9:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bitter-vets-versus-better-vets/339945/91 "2021-12-04T09:27:53Z")
![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/e/6/5e64bdf99158265c97077240fde3d3315535df62.gif) All the salt came out. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 9:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bitter-vets-versus-better-vets/339945/92 "2021-12-04T09:42:02Z")
Wait, so your meme isnt complaining about krabs? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 9:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bitter-vets-versus-better-vets/339945/93 "2021-12-04T09:44:48Z")
You may have a point, but you just point out where people are wrong. Thats not really being constructive, thats complaining, which is the OP makes you a bad person, I mean bitter vet. Bear in mind, Im pretty sure I am a bad person, but I also dont think Quantum Cores and Capital Ships are good, but removing them is not considered constructive so I have to live with being a bitter bad. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 9:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bitter-vets-versus-better-vets/339945/94 "2021-12-04T09:48:47Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Thats not really being constructive, thats complaining, which is the OP makes you a bad person, I mean bitter vet. yes it is. It defines what is bad, and why. Which is the basis for constructive, ctricism. I also offer a solution : ban the whinners. That’s all they deserve, by spamming a communication medium. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 9:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bitter-vets-versus-better-vets/339945/95 "2021-12-04T09:52:08Z")
So how is ban players you disagree with constructive and remove caps and cores not? Im not sure how simply pointing out a flaw is constructive though but the english you use is frequently different from the one we use in Ireland so Ill not dwell on that. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 10:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bitter-vets-versus-better-vets/339945/96 "2021-12-04T10:07:25Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > bitter vets You are one bro 😃 His meme triggered you so hard you word vomited that response out 😃 > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > watching CCP subject them to a slow, painful, lingering, agonizing, unnecessary death. Then just quit bro. Seriously. The amount of drama grown folks pitch over a vidya game is just straight embarrassing. > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > Feel free to suck up to CCP all you like. Or maybe, just maybe we’re having fun playing a vidya game. I know, amazing right? ROFL. > [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > Plus, I again don’t know what to make of you. I fall into both categories because I keep complaining incessantly about CCP and search for every negative bit that I can find but I also provide constructive feedback and ways to make things better. I also don’t see change as an opportunity because most changes in the last 10 years have perverted, removed or warped opportunity. No worries bro, you bitter. Learn to adapt and make your own fun or leave if you don’t want to. Its pretty simple. This ain’t life or death bruv. Its a vidya game. > [@una\_noche\_mas](#): > > I read what you wrote about _Victim Mentality_ before. Where did you learn these? > Because when you describe Victim Mentality… you clearly step into the waters of **Victim Blaming**. Do you know the difference? Nah bro. A lot of New Eden makes themselves victims now. Its truly tragic. It isn’t blame, its truth. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > So the question is then, why would you make the effort to adapt, to something that will anyhow be removed by the dev in only a matter of time ? Something you can’t enjoy anymore “because reasons” ? You don’t have to. Then you can walk away. The fact that peeps can’t or won’t due to the experience they have with EVE, shows how great of a game it was and still is. > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > Oh and you keep blaming it on the players as well So you’re saying players don’t have agency and CCP is literally forcing them to play a game they hate? Huh. Interesting. > [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > Besides, new players want a comprehensive picture of the game they are about to join. Negativity adds to that picture and adds a very important facet to it: They tell you that not everything is as rose-tinted as people like Shipwreck or the developers want to make you believe it is. Any person with at least 2 braincells should be able to discern ranting from actual negative feedback. Its almost like they can google and figure it out for themselves. You and your ilk literally install victimhood 2.0 into their brains. Although I had an interaction last night that gives me great hope for EVE’s future.. > [@Anabella\_Rella](#): > > CCP apologists/shills are. Rather than trying to read their nonsensical posts (because i know exactly what they’re going to say), I’ve just blocked them. So in other words you can’t handle and therefore you hide. Yes, EVE has fallen into shallower times indeed. > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > Other people’s opinions about the game are as valid as yours, and it certainly doesn’t help “community spirit” to start tar-and-feathering everyone who has a valid criticism with your ad-hominem witchhunt. Oh? So you agree ganking is valid PvP 😃 Thankee. > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > OP posts a thread complaining about Vets who complain… Bro you are the textbook bittervet. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 10:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bitter-vets-versus-better-vets/339945/97 "2021-12-04T10:12:13Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > So how is ban players you disagree with constructive and remove caps and cores not? Where did I make this exact claim ? Nowhere. So you are making up wrong statements in order to present my posts as worse than they are. You should also be banned. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 10:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bitter-vets-versus-better-vets/339945/98 "2021-12-04T10:21:17Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Where did I make this exact claim ? I didnt at any point say you did. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > you are making up wrong statements Nope, you are claiming I said you had said it. Thats you doing the making up. Honestly, do you believe that anything anyone says is always about you specifically? > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > You should also be banned. Thankfully people who live to attack others like yourself arent in charge. I also believe what you said may be against forum rules. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 10:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bitter-vets-versus-better-vets/339945/99 "2021-12-04T10:24:10Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > I didnt at any point say you did. and I did not say you said it. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > you are claiming I said you had said it. I did not. Again, you are making up claims. 🧟 :wall: 🧟 ---
**Author:** ![Emira\_Sultana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/emira_sultana/32/298445_2.png) [@Emira\_Sultana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Emira_Sultana)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bitter-vets-versus-better-vets/339945/100 "2021-12-04T10:28:34Z")
I’m not bitter… not even a vet. Don’t want to catch whatever it is they have, doesn’t sound like fun. I refuse to be a victim, too. It must suck to cry knowing no one gives a sh-. > [@PixyWarrior\_Ellecon](#): > > People just need thicker skin. I have soft smooth skin nourished and hydrated by Aloe Vera. It’s isn’t thick but crap don’t stick to it. Yuuuk, lol. Victim-blaming is insidious but those who whine for no reason are no better either. Reminds me of the drama queens in this forum, always wailing about something “unfair”, as if they don’t know that life isn’t fair. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 10:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bitter-vets-versus-better-vets/339945/101 "2021-12-04T10:35:16Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > I did not say you said it. Well thats just a flat lie there. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Where did I make this exact claim ? This response makes no contextual sense in english if you are not accusing me of putting words in your mouth. If you didnt claim I was making something up, then what is it you think I should be banned for? The meat and 2 spuds of this thread is that Shipwreck and you both agree that complaining about people who complain makes you both “better vets” and anyone who complains about things they dont like about EvE are “bitter vets” and that position in itself is an oxymoron. People who think others have no right to voice dissatisfaction are called dictators. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 10:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bitter-vets-versus-better-vets/339945/102 "2021-12-04T10:47:10Z")
I just _love_ how all the chronic complainers react to this thread as if bitten by a snake. Being called out for being a negative Nancy and… reacting to it like a true Karen. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bitter-vets-versus-better-vets/339945.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bitter-vets-versus-better-vets/339945.md?page=6)