# BitterVets apparently do not appreciate the #1 CareBear Rule in HiSec - Warpout if Someone is Already There **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** high-sec\ **Created:** [January 26, 2018, 10:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bittervets-apparently-do-not-appreciate-the-1-carebear-rule-in-hisec-warpout-if-someone-is-already-there/53579 "2018-01-26T22:25:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Coralas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/coralas/32/11762_2.png) [@Coralas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Coralas)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 8:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bittervets-apparently-do-not-appreciate-the-1-carebear-rule-in-hisec-warpout-if-someone-is-already-there/53579/102 "2018-01-31T08:55:41Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > Again your post makes absolutely no sense. I took the time to explain the mechanics of sites to you. > [@](#): > > You somehow assuming that the moment someone warps to the site and becomes “owner” of that site, he is from that point automatically going to get the loot/bounties or whatever. No he is not. I think you have a major timeline problem in your argument. > [@](#): > > The only thing that would change is that when another player comes to compete, he will become attackable by the “owner” without concord intervention. This is what happens anyway when the ganker steals loot deliberately flagging himself. > [@](#): > > There is only single thing this proposal change and thats opportunity. If you are doing a site and someone else if going to try compete and you don’t like it you will be able to do something with it. Something else than log in your multiboxed sucide gank fleet or attack him with current ship and get concorded, laughed at and hunted for next month for free. You are thinking the wrong away around. What changes is not when the ganker enters second. Its when the ganker enters first. Which is under your harebrained scheme, the thing that that they will suddenly care about, and work very hard to achieve, because its just going to flag everyone that doesn’t understand the mechanics, which is a massive win for them. People being flagged doing pve. lol. Not only that, when they find the site, they are not going to complete it, they are going to sit in it. There are only ~4 highsec ded 4 ded signatures per race, so the whole of gurista ded 4s could be easily shut down because 4 out of a population of thousands of gankers want to shut it down. All you would then find is occupied sites, that never move. Hint : if you actually did a lot of exploration content, you’d be aware that gurista ded 1s (in highsec) have a key exploit, and in the entire time I’ve run exploration content, people who have key control have _never_ relented and left the sites alone for the newbs that they are supposed to be for. > [@](#): > > Since mostly, the only one getting site “stolen” is flying cheap ship and has low skills this will not make much difference in those cases, the carebear in tengu who comes to compete is going to have this as you can"t fight him in your vexor (or whatever) anyway. But if you got a pvp ship say stratios and another guy comes to compete with vigilant, then you might have a nice pvp if he is going to risk the limited engagement for you. Its not going to happen. bad actor x is going to look at the killboard of bad actor y and chat about taking over the site after bad actor y has finished killing flagged PVE players. What they aren’t going to do is fight each other. ---
**Author:** ![Orbit\_Arbosa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orbit_arbosa/32/147685_2.png) [@Orbit\_Arbosa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orbit_Arbosa)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 9:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bittervets-apparently-do-not-appreciate-the-1-carebear-rule-in-hisec-warpout-if-someone-is-already-there/53579/103 "2018-01-31T09:41:39Z")
> [@Crawfish\_Johnson](#): > > So you warp your ‘whatever’ to an event site, say Crimson Harvest for example, and you let your drones out to slowly chew the rats, while tractoring and salvaging from your high slots, until the one rat with the loot is finally killed. All the while spewing in local on the ppl who come run the site and kill the objective with measured proficiency. You threaten war dec’s and send emails to ceo’s (true story). HA! I LAUGH AT YOU. I SPIT IN YOUR FACE! Ha ha! _ **You have created the REAL content of this entertaining game.** _ Congratulations! Thank you CCP thank you for the crying ineffective alphas. Give them capitals soon! > ![kahn](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/5/4/54d64002cf1001c0569aeecb664460a950e4074f.jpg) I am the OP and declare that you are the winner of this HiJacked thread. That made me LOL. I am still giggling. eMail to the CEO. LMAO. ---
**Author:** ![Crawfish\_Johnson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/crawfish_johnson/32/25975_2.png) [@Crawfish\_Johnson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Crawfish_Johnson)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 10:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bittervets-apparently-do-not-appreciate-the-1-carebear-rule-in-hisec-warpout-if-someone-is-already-there/53579/104 "2018-01-31T22:26:59Z")
I’m really glad that you took my post in the manner that it was intended. It was more of a bitch about the “this is mine & I was here first” mind set and never intended to acknowledge or address anyone’s perceived problems. It was, in all honesty, not a poor alpha that mailed my CEO but some pilot who didn’t follow up on his threats and in his bio claimed to be a WH baddie from a C5 corp. Well, that turned out to be a bunch of horse sheet also. Too bad cause I was going to hunt his wh down a attempt to interdict some of his loots. There was a post about the activity in Hisec where it was reported that ppl were acting badly and I went there to personally observe and wound up participating 🙂 > **[Bug ? hack?](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bug-hack/45711)** > > Hi, i farm nest but a strange player come, steal all my wrecks and i can’t engage ? Why ? Is in HS. This guy already made it with other player. He come, he steal wrecks and impossible to engage. ---
**Author:** ![Alua\_Oresson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alua_oresson/32/504959_2.png) [@Alua\_Oresson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alua_Oresson)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2018, 6:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bittervets-apparently-do-not-appreciate-the-1-carebear-rule-in-hisec-warpout-if-someone-is-already-there/53579/105 "2018-02-03T06:48:27Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > if concord safety gets removed you will still be able to steal others site and loot, but you will actually take a risk of doing such action albeit very small risk anyway There’s a place you can do this. It is called low sec and null sec… ---
**Author:** ![Sethyrh\_Nakrar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sethyrh_nakrar/32/12695_2.png) [@Sethyrh\_Nakrar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sethyrh_Nakrar)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2018, 8:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bittervets-apparently-do-not-appreciate-the-1-carebear-rule-in-hisec-warpout-if-someone-is-already-there/53579/106 "2018-02-03T08:08:26Z")
And if you do that in a system where the inhabitants don´t like that and actually are PVPers, you will start do miss CONCORD…:fedo: ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2018, 11:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bittervets-apparently-do-not-appreciate-the-1-carebear-rule-in-hisec-warpout-if-someone-is-already-there/53579/107 "2018-02-03T11:25:09Z")
Oh really? Thank you for reminder, but this thread is about high-sec. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2018, 11:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bittervets-apparently-do-not-appreciate-the-1-carebear-rule-in-hisec-warpout-if-someone-is-already-there/53579/108 "2018-02-03T11:41:07Z")
Actually its about about the lack of appreciation of a made-up rule by people who by definition know better, while in hisec to be specific. SO, on topic; There’s no such rule. ---
**Author:** ![Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/corraidhin_farsaidh/32/10994_2.png) [@Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Corraidhin_Farsaidh)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2018, 11:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bittervets-apparently-do-not-appreciate-the-1-carebear-rule-in-hisec-warpout-if-someone-is-already-there/53579/109 "2018-02-03T11:56:36Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > SO, on topic; There’s no such rule. More specifically there is the exact opposite of this supposed rule. Nothing in space belongs to you until it’s in your hangar. Those who leave a site when someone is there do so from a misguided sense of politeness. This is a game, fun in a game comes from competition, players have a duty to provide that competition in EvE otherwise it becomes stale very quickly. All in my opinion of course 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2018, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bittervets-apparently-do-not-appreciate-the-1-carebear-rule-in-hisec-warpout-if-someone-is-already-there/53579/110 "2018-02-03T13:44:42Z")
People need to realise that, unless they can back it up with force, their self imposed rules don’t apply to anybody but themselves. I’d steal stuff from this guy just for the tears, well that and any transfer of stuff from him to me is to my benefit; stuff being my stock in trade. ---
**Author:** ![LulKlz\_Duster](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lulklz_duster/32/129692_2.png) [@LulKlz\_Duster](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/LulKlz_Duster)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 12:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bittervets-apparently-do-not-appreciate-the-1-carebear-rule-in-hisec-warpout-if-someone-is-already-there/53579/112 "2018-02-28T00:41:51Z")
Solution: person that starts a site gets to start combat with a person that targets anything on grid in a HS site. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 5:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bittervets-apparently-do-not-appreciate-the-1-carebear-rule-in-hisec-warpout-if-someone-is-already-there/53579/113 "2018-02-28T05:38:54Z")
For crying out loud this is the most pathetic whine thread. Let it die already. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 8:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bittervets-apparently-do-not-appreciate-the-1-carebear-rule-in-hisec-warpout-if-someone-is-already-there/53579/114 "2018-02-28T08:43:44Z")
> [@LulKlz\_Duster](#): > > Solution: person that starts a site gets to start combat with a person that targets anything on grid in a HS site. Can we please implement this. This would be gewd. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 12:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bittervets-apparently-do-not-appreciate-the-1-carebear-rule-in-hisec-warpout-if-someone-is-already-there/53579/115 "2018-02-28T12:24:28Z")
so can just fly around every site in a constellation and shoot one frig then no one can run any sites unless they wanna get blown up ---
**Author:** ![Lady\_Ayeipsia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lady_ayeipsia/32/23528_2.png) [@Lady\_Ayeipsia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lady_Ayeipsia)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bittervets-apparently-do-not-appreciate-the-1-carebear-rule-in-hisec-warpout-if-someone-is-already-there/53579/116 "2018-02-28T13:32:40Z")
EVE is a competitive game. It doesn’t matter who gets to the site first. It just matters who grabs the loot and can hold onto it. Don’t like it, go play another game. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 1:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bittervets-apparently-do-not-appreciate-the-1-carebear-rule-in-hisec-warpout-if-someone-is-already-there/53579/117 "2018-02-28T13:50:07Z")
Ssschhhh ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 1:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bittervets-apparently-do-not-appreciate-the-1-carebear-rule-in-hisec-warpout-if-someone-is-already-there/53579/118 "2018-02-28T13:59:07Z")
The only reason I run a site in high sec is if I see someone in it on Dscan. There is no other reason to be there. ---
**Author:** ![Noragen\_Neirfallas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/noragen_neirfallas/32/375148_2.png) [@Noragen\_Neirfallas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Noragen_Neirfallas)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 6:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bittervets-apparently-do-not-appreciate-the-1-carebear-rule-in-hisec-warpout-if-someone-is-already-there/53579/119 "2018-03-01T06:43:22Z")
Mining other peoples rocks and lasering off with as little as possible left int he rock wasting their cycle time and swiping other peoples combat sites or even better mission specific items are the best things to do in highsec though 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Brewlar\_Kuvakei](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brewlar_kuvakei/32/422694_2.png) [@Brewlar\_Kuvakei](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brewlar_Kuvakei)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 10:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bittervets-apparently-do-not-appreciate-the-1-carebear-rule-in-hisec-warpout-if-someone-is-already-there/53579/120 "2018-03-01T10:01:42Z")
I think there is a general understanding among the player base that tackling & warping needs a major overhaul. In High & low we have the issue that it is difficult to tackle within sites such as missions & DED. Often an attacker will be 100 miles off any potential PVP target due to the accel gate mechanic. Meanwhile any defender in said site will not be carrying any sort of tackle as to maximise their PVE fit. This lack of tackle prevents any defenders driving home a defence as their attacker will always be able to retreat if they are about to pop. This makes PVP within a mission, DED or any site for that matter 100% pointless for 1 side of the party 100% of the time, this is clearly broken. A simple & effective solution to this problem would be to provide every site 100% warp disruption coverage within a room say out to 10k km. The only way to leave a site would be exit accel gates, these gates would be stunnable by a player shooting which prevents activation for 5 mins. To prevent griefing the gate would stop being stunned after 20 mins. A normal ship point would always prevent you accessing this gate as normal. Null sec Warp mechanics does not even really need discussed as problems with bubbles are widely known. Bubbles offer far to much power to those who deploy them. Being able to create a wall of safety that rivals high sec should not be a thing. ---
**Author:** ![Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/corraidhin_farsaidh/32/10994_2.png) [@Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Corraidhin_Farsaidh)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 10:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bittervets-apparently-do-not-appreciate-the-1-carebear-rule-in-hisec-warpout-if-someone-is-already-there/53579/121 "2018-03-01T10:22:32Z")
> [@Brewlar\_Kuvakei](#): > > Meanwhile any defender in said site will not be carrying any sort of tackle as to maximise their PVE fit. Right here is the problem, you are in HS and protected by various rules. You maximize your PvE fit and then complain that a PvP fit ship can steal something from you and get away. If you don’t want to PvP fit your ship to run the site as fast as possible, and focus on getting the loot first. If you want to defend it, then fit for PvP accordingly. This will impact the speed at which you clear the site as a trade off. To be honest from my experience I know for a fact I could clear a Phi outpost in Gallente space in around 10 minutes in my gila even with a scram fitted. Learn the site, learn how best to complete it with the risks that go with it. Compete as you choose and accept that sometimes you will lose the loot. ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bittervets-apparently-do-not-appreciate-the-1-carebear-rule-in-hisec-warpout-if-someone-is-already-there/53579/122 "2018-03-01T14:00:40Z")
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