# Botting Ban and PLEX **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 29, 2018, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/botting-ban-and-plex/85904 "2018-06-29T14:17:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Veritas\_Totient](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/veritas_totient/32/496347_2.png) [@Veritas\_Totient](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Veritas_Totient)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/botting-ban-and-plex/85904/1 "2018-06-29T14:17:23Z")
CCP now bans botting for 3 days, freezes their character transfer and skill extraction, and confiscates the cheaters ISK on the first offence. And permanent ban on second offence. And sometimes CCP even confiscates the botting corporation wallet. Everything seems good, but the cheaters found that CCP would do nothing to your assets and corporation assets. Especially after the PLEX change, PLEX is almost ISK equivalence, divisible and easy to transport in vault. Some corporation manager said they would buy PLEX, skill injectors, and minerals to avoid CCP confiscating the corporation wallet. Source(Chinese): [https://tieba.baidu.com/p/5746543340](https://tieba.baidu.com/p/5746543340) I think that CCP should at least confiscate the PLEX, since it is almost equivalent to ISK. But should CCP resell these PLEX in market? ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 2:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/botting-ban-and-plex/85904/2 "2018-06-29T14:21:46Z")
I think they confiscated PLEX some time ago, I mean it was extracted from permabanned accounts. šŸ¤” ---
**Author:** ![Wavemistress\_Moidel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wavemistress_moidel/32/211447_2.png) [@Wavemistress\_Moidel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wavemistress_Moidel)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 2:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/botting-ban-and-plex/85904/3 "2018-06-29T14:55:32Z")
If you are caught botting CCP should eject all your assets into space with a system/region wide notification that all your stuff is now floating in space and everything is up for grabs. After 2 hours free floating in space it disappears into the ether. Everybody wins CCP gets rid of the bot and it creates content for the deserving. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/botting-ban-and-plex/85904/4 "2018-06-29T14:58:15Z")
I think CCP should find out where they live and stand on their neck for a few hoursā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Veritas\_Totient](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/veritas_totient/32/496347_2.png) [@Veritas\_Totient](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Veritas_Totient)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/botting-ban-and-plex/85904/5 "2018-06-29T15:00:42Z")
Not sure about how it worked before, we cannot automatically transfer character by using PLEX now.šŸ˜‚ The whole system has been changed, and that is all the information I have gathered now. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 3:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/botting-ban-and-plex/85904/6 "2018-06-29T15:02:38Z")
I think that If these banned people will move PLEX elsewhere, CCP will know where it is, CCP can monitor these other accounts in future. There is no escape from CCP banhammer. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/d/7/d7bac34fe039d9edf87c2492b14c52be3b54f608.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Veritas\_Totient](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/veritas_totient/32/496347_2.png) [@Veritas\_Totient](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Veritas_Totient)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 3:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/botting-ban-and-plex/85904/7 "2018-06-29T15:19:45Z")
Yeah, but it is just about consistency, CCP have confiscated the cheaters ISK but the cheaters are now trying to avoid it by using PLEX instead of ISK. ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Engraver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_engraver/32/45178_2.png) [@Dark\_Engraver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Engraver)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 3:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/botting-ban-and-plex/85904/8 "2018-06-29T15:48:40Z")
Itā€™s not just plex you can buy overseer effects with your botted isk and it keeps value cuz it sells back to npc for fixed isk. The main issue is not what they convert it into cuz it can be a zillion things the issue is how creatively they launder said isk or launder the assets. An old in game friend of mine some years ago managed to hide a series of high value items in anticipation of a ban since he had went into selling isk.Ban came he got his assets liquidated bought another char and played for another year or so before quiting ---
**Author:** ![Akmaund\_Askiras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akmaund_askiras/32/135732_2.png) [@Akmaund\_Askiras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akmaund_Askiras)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/botting-ban-and-plex/85904/9 "2018-06-29T18:00:09Z")
I think a perma ban on first offense is optimal. This gives many the opportunity to SEE WHAT WE CAN GET AWAY WITHā€¦ It is not fair to those who pay to play and donā€™t get to cheat to make hundreds of bill or trillions of ISK. All I need is a linux host and Eve running and I can mac spoof to my hearts content. Thing is, with my new hardware, I can manually edit the identifying nomenclature. So you, nor CCP, would ever know I was behind those 3000 accounts all bottingā€¦ I in no way am doing this or attemtping to break these rules, but I think this way, and Id think professionals in their field of expertise would too. Why is botting still even a thing? It only says about you CCP. That YOU do not care enough to get off your asses and kick the ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā–  hackers out!!! If you donā€™t, your game DESERVES to be hacked and cheated inā€¦ and that will in fact RUIN the community over time. I have not been here that long at all mind you, but Eve is not my first game. I have seen it happen many times. Cheaters never prosper, they only live high on the hog long enough to get attention and that usually, ruins it for the rest, who ARE playing - I mean, paying, by the rules. cough cough CCP ---
**Author:** ![Veritas\_Totient](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/veritas_totient/32/496347_2.png) [@Veritas\_Totient](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Veritas_Totient)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 6:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/botting-ban-and-plex/85904/10 "2018-06-29T18:10:45Z")
The other assets are much harder to transport and exchange to ISK. I think I even see some botting character do insurance fraud to gain ISK in his emergency need or just lazy. Maybe this one? [https://zkillboard.com/character/93555898/](https://zkillboard.com/character/93555898/) ---
**Author:** ![Veritas\_Totient](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/veritas_totient/32/496347_2.png) [@Veritas\_Totient](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Veritas_Totient)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 6:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/botting-ban-and-plex/85904/11 "2018-06-29T18:13:42Z")
I heard that some get perma ban on first offence. But even perma ban on first offence for individual, the botting corporation is still a thing. ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 11:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/botting-ban-and-plex/85904/12 "2018-06-29T23:24:18Z")
> [@Akmaund\_Askiras](#): > > I think a perma ban on first offense is optimal. This gives many the opportunity to SEE WHAT WE CAN GET AWAY WITHā€¦ > > It is not fair to those who pay to play and donā€™t get to cheat to make hundreds of bill or trillions of ISK. > > All I need is a linux host and Eve running and I can mac spoof to my hearts content. Thing is, with my new hardware, I can manually edit the identifying nomenclature. So you, nor CCP, would ever know I was behind those 3000 accounts all bottingā€¦ > > I in no way am doing this or attemtping to break these rules, but I think this way, and Id think professionals in their field of expertise would too. Why is botting still even a thing? > > It only says about you CCP. That YOU do not care enough to get off your asses and kick the ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā–  hackers out!!! > > If you donā€™t, your game DESERVES to be hacked and cheated inā€¦ and that will in fact RUIN the community over time. I have not been here that long at all mind you, but Eve is not my first game. I have seen it happen many times. Cheaters never prosper, they only live high on the hog long enough to get attention and that usually, ruins it for the rest, who ARE playing - I mean, paying, by the rules. cough cough CCP They still show up as coming from the same location, unless youā€™re going to use a bunch of VMā€™s all with their own VPNā€™s youā€™re still going to show on the radar, anything you can think of to potentially avoid CCP is likely to have been thought of or attempted before ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 12:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/botting-ban-and-plex/85904/15 "2018-06-30T00:02:29Z")
If CCP knows of everything that is likely to be attempted or has been tried before, then why are bot fleets still rampant? ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 12:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/botting-ban-and-plex/85904/16 "2018-06-30T00:53:11Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > If CCP knows of everything that is likely to be attempted or has been tried before, then why are bot fleets still rampant? Because bans are done in waves, there is no point instantly banning bots, they will trace them, analyse them and try to find the source, much like a hydra, cut off one head and another replaces it, you need to go for the heart not the limbs, bots are deliberately left to operate as a result of them trying to hunt for the bigger fish ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 1:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/botting-ban-and-plex/85904/17 "2018-06-30T01:05:01Z")
I say ban them the instant they are caught, and keep banning them the instant they are caught each and every time. If CCP keeps doing that, eventually the botters will run out of every available method. Long story short, donā€™t give them a single second of reprieve. If you make it as difficult as possible to bot every single second of every day, eventually they will give up. ---
**Author:** ![Krysenth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/krysenth/32/58194_2.png) [@Krysenth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Krysenth)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 1:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/botting-ban-and-plex/85904/18 "2018-06-30T01:49:54Z")
The reason you dont see them banning bots immediately is because theyā€™re avoiding a digital version of natural selection. If they ban bots using behavior pattern A, then they know not to use that one. Rinse and repeat until bots are using a behavior pattern indistinguishable from players. Or, go with the ā€œkill all the dinosaursā€ method by marking bots, and then banning a chunk of them at the same time so that you arent explaining to the bot masters exactly what caused them to be marked in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Akmaund\_Askiras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akmaund_askiras/32/135732_2.png) [@Akmaund\_Askiras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akmaund_Askiras)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 1:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/botting-ban-and-plex/85904/19 "2018-06-30T01:52:56Z")
Well I guess CCP feels banning the individuals behind the botting corp is too strong a course of actionā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Rosov\_Aulmais](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rosov_aulmais/32/168511_2.png) [@Rosov\_Aulmais](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rosov_Aulmais)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 10:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/botting-ban-and-plex/85904/21 "2018-06-30T10:23:52Z")
How can we know how their assets are confiscated, after all? All we have is only a few people who leaked sometimes incomplete information about bots being banned, and there are probably more removed bots we donā€™t even know. Maybe CCP should do a monthly bot-hunting report for more transparency? In the previous banwave I had also seen some leaked screenshots saying one corp was having cash flow problems after several of their accounts banned. Looks like they didnā€™t launder their money well. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 10:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/botting-ban-and-plex/85904/22 "2018-06-30T10:32:32Z")
I dont think CCP does much investigation/tracking of how botters launder isk/value. Cba to crunch the numbers again but there is an average of 2k suspended accounts a month, and two staff on the security team. Easy to calculate the workload assuming a 40hr work week. At that rate/pace, I dont think there is time to start following papertrails to where ill-begotten wealth went, what/how it was laundered into, nor confiscating it. ---
**Author:** ![Rosov\_Aulmais](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rosov_aulmais/32/168511_2.png) [@Rosov\_Aulmais](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rosov_Aulmais)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 10:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/botting-ban-and-plex/85904/23 "2018-06-30T10:36:20Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > two staff on the security team Interesting, I once thought about crowdsourcing the work to players using systems similar to Project Discovery. > [@To what extent can players help bot detection? Would in-game reward for fighting bots encourage players to do so?](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-what-extent-can-players-help-bot-detection-would-in-game-reward-for-fighting-bots-encourage-players-to-do-so/55919/16): > > I should read the data a bit, about how PD goes in the time of about one year: By categorizing a database of more than 250,000 images of proteins within human cells, which included the submission of more than 25 million classifications of images, capsuleers contributed to real life science through their gameplay, providing thousands of man hours of analysis for the Human Protein Atlas. I think thatā€™s approximately the equivalent of 10 full time employees, not to mention that they donā€™t hā€¦ [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/botting-ban-and-plex/85904.md?page=2)