# Bounty Hunting as an extension of suicide ganking **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [September 13, 2019, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bounty-hunting-as-an-extension-of-suicide-ganking/189587 "2019-09-13T13:05:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bounty-hunting-as-an-extension-of-suicide-ganking/189587/1 "2019-09-13T13:05:29Z")
I do not subscribe to the romantic idea of bounty hunters. That’s an idea solely created by TV shows (I’m looking at you, Disney prince) and in no way or form reflecting reality: A bounty hunter is a killer. He’s a legal assassin. Assassin! The current bounty mechanics favour suicide gankers more than anyone else. KillRights are a joke and abused by people who seek to make profit by grabbing the price for the public killright combined with the insurance payout. That’s fine, but not actually helpful for the profession. I propose a different approach to payouts that actually makes sense and prevents abuse. Instead of rewriting the whole post in a new form, I’m simply going to quote myself from some other thread: > [@DMC. "Maybe use your ganker skills as a Bounty Hunter?"](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dmc-maybe-use-your-ganker-skills-as-a-bounty-hunter/188405/42): > > I’m writing this from a perspective of someone who cares about the money, because most people simply do that. They don’t want to kill for sports, which is perfectly fine, though things of course shouldn’t work in a way that it feeds _greed_ . Greed is bad. Ask Hilmar. : - ) > > There needs to be more people with higher bounty and the payout mechanic needs to be changed. The 20% payout might prevent people from cashing it themselves via alts/friends, but it also makes it meaningless. The full payout might make people cash it in themselves, but in return does it make everyone who doesn’t do such a thing an actually interesting target. There _are_ people who truly appreciate this. That’s some serious spice added to the game for both the hunted and the hunter. > > Let me tell you the short story of how I had a billion ISK bounty on my head, before these changes. Good old Solstice Project sat in Dodixie trying to talk money out of some honourable drunk person. Let’s say I was really good at that. At first I didn’t know I’ve succeeded, but when I came back from work four hours later I’ve seen he indeed sent me money … in form of bounty … one billion ISK. That was a lot back then. > > And I was sitting in Dodixie. As -7. Ha! Panic! 😃 > > Back then Dodixie was really active. A lot of people at the undock. Back then I also wasn’t yet skilled enough to figure out how to get the ■■■■ out of there and it was a thrilling 15minutes I’ve used to try to escape until Alex [forgotthefullname] managed to get the final blow. Sadly I had no instaundock bookmark back then and using the pod wasn’t an option, because it had to do a full turn around. My mind was too occupied to come up with something sensible. lol > > When the whole bounty is being paid out, then there is actual meaning because people _will_ come after you for it. When you know only 20% of the bounty will be paid, then you know very well that most people will not give a ■■■■, because the vast majority of people will simply not come to check if you have a ship/fitting that makes an attack worthwhile. > > **I believe bounty should be paid out to a hard limit calculated in relation to the cost of the ship used to gank the target … plus profit. When I invest 100 million ISK to gank someone who has a billion ISK bounty, then I should be compensated that money PLUS making profit.** > > Now some people will scream THAT’LL INCREASE SUICIDE GANKING and I will say YES THAT’S WHAT IT’S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING, BOUNTY HUNTING IS PERFECT FOR GANKERS AND THE GAME WOULD BENEFIT FROM MORE, you sissies. Bounty Hunters aren’t honourable people. They’re _killers_. ASSASSINS. Your skewed, overly romantic idea of what bounty hunters are is from TV. You’re basically Disney Princes and those guys don’t actually stand a ■■■■■■■ chance in a competitive environment. > > Uuuuhhh … I digress. > > … otoh when I invest a double-volley thrasher for less than two million ISK, the payout should be 2 million ISK plus a bit. If the amount of bounty on someone’s head doesn’t cover the cost, well, then the full bounty should be paid out. > > This way abuse is being prevented, because anyone who wants to cash in on his own bounty will not gain a lot when he uses a cheap ship and is still being forced to pay a lot if he wants to remove a high amount of bounty. > > Now please … fill the loopholes, so I can rethink this first part. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Bronson\_Hughes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bronson_hughes/32/189075_2.png) [@Bronson\_Hughes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bronson_Hughes)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 2:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bounty-hunting-as-an-extension-of-suicide-ganking/189587/2 "2019-09-13T14:07:20Z")
And what you’ll end up with is players with two accounts gaming that system and raking in profits. Any kind of automatic bounty system that generates a net profit for a kill will be gamed by players. Bounty hunters do exist in EvE. They’re called mercs, and players hire them to kill other players. Always remember that often times the best mechanics in EvE are player-driven. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 2:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bounty-hunting-as-an-extension-of-suicide-ganking/189587/3 "2019-09-13T14:10:05Z")
It can be done like a mission but the targets need to be random based on “mission” level or the type of licence you guy/qualify for… The current system is a joke and mercs ganking people are not bounty hunters as what they are doing is illegal… ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bounty-hunting-as-an-extension-of-suicide-ganking/189587/4 "2019-09-13T14:46:32Z")
As long as no bounty creates a killright just for ISK, the system can work. That throws’s Runa’s idea out into the trash bin. (like all the other times she pipedreamed about it) ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bounty-hunting-as-an-extension-of-suicide-ganking/189587/5 "2019-09-13T14:50:59Z")
Stop it you are making me sad… ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 2:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bounty-hunting-as-an-extension-of-suicide-ganking/189587/6 "2019-09-13T14:56:37Z")
Likewise and happy to be of service. All people who suggest that killrights for ISK are any good make me really sad. By comparison, Solecist’s suggestion of gankers getting a huge share of the bounty is actually good. Not perfect because it opens up the door to alt farming bounties again, but miles better than your “idea”. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bounty-hunting-as-an-extension-of-suicide-ganking/189587/7 "2019-09-13T15:12:26Z")
> [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > who suggest that killrights for ISK are any good make It makes me sad when people don’t know what the ■■■■ they are talking about in regards to others ideas yet still spout BS about them…but that’s just me. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bounty-hunting-as-an-extension-of-suicide-ganking/189587/8 "2019-12-12T15:12:33Z")
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