# BPO halt + Low power + Abandoned state **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [April 26, 2021, 3:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779 "2021-04-26T03:25:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2021, 7:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779/41 "2021-04-27T07:52:59Z")
Says there its a Complex. Pretty sure all sturctures with station facilities are stations as well as being Structures. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2021, 7:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779/42 "2021-04-27T07:55:34Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Says there its a Complex. No it does not. It’s an engineering complex, which is a group that belongs to the category structures. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Pretty sure all sturctures with station facilities are stations as well as being Structures. they are not. They belong only to one of the categories :EITHER structures or stations. BTW the only structures that are deployed by NPC, which you can find here > **[Structure | EVE Ref](https://everef.net/categories/65)** > > Reference site for EVE Online are the diamond fobs and diamond sotiyo. You are however right that some structures can fit station services. Not the NPC structures though. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2021, 8:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779/43 "2021-04-27T08:00:49Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > No it does not. It’s an engineering complex, which is a group that belongs to the category structures. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/c/3/ac39e8bf04244876da91b78036c73aca1479182b.png) Nothing you said changes what I said. I didnt say a Complex isnt a structure. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > They belong only to one of the categories :EITHER structures or stations. But all Structures do not provide station facilities, so therefore Stucture alone as a term doesnt differentiate it from a space station, a Starbase or a POCO. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > You are however right that some structures can fit station services. Not the NPC structures though. True. This is due to Station, station, Starbase and Structure all being CCP keywords, with the exception of station. Is there a word then for what (in non-EvE terms) is defined as being a space station that can be a Structure or a Station? You are right in the rules defining that, but if I just talking about a place I can dock and depod, whether its a Structure or a Station, whats the term ? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2021, 8:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779/44 "2021-04-27T08:01:45Z")
Space hut! ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2021, 8:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779/45 "2021-04-27T08:10:22Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > I didnt say a Complex isnt a structure. You wrote “complex”, which is wrong. It is an “engineering complex”. Complexes are other things. [Faction warfare - EVE University Wiki](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Faction_warfare#Complexes) > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > But all Structures do not provide station facilities, so therefore Stucture alone as a term doesnt differentiate it from a space station, a Starbase or a POCO. yes? Still calling a cat a dog is a bad thing. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Is there a word then for what (in non-EvE terms) is defined as being a space station that can be a Structure or a Station? Nope. I guess “dockable” would fit. But then it removes some. service can also be offered in space, by mobile depots and other ships. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > You are right in the rules defining that, but if I just talking about a place I can dock and depod, whether its a Structure or a Station, whats the term ? There is none. They are fundamentally different, in that a structure is dynamic while a station is static. Stations are create the moment the system is loaded, while structures can be created and destroyed between DTs. I guess harbor would be a good term, since you can dock in them ^^ . I just hope CCP does not screw up and create a new category/group called “harbor”. The correct thing would be to for CCP to rename “structures” to something else though. Now that outposts are removed, they could use that ategory instead ? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2021, 8:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779/46 "2021-04-27T08:11:44Z")
Yeah well Im still gonna call a space station a station. I dont do much that makes these (incorrectly applied by CCP) terms matter. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2021, 8:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779/47 "2021-04-27T08:20:04Z")
I think the intended way to avoid such a situation is by contacting the owner of the Sotiyo, to let them refuel the structure to (1) allow you get out your stuff and (2) to avoid getting everything to drop due to the abandoned state. If you do not know the owner or the owner has been offline for long enough for the structure to go abandoned, it’s a very big risk to keep your stuff inside their structure. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2021, 9:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779/48 "2021-04-27T09:01:12Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > If you do not know the owner or the owner has been offline for long enough for the structure to go abandoned, it’s a very big risk to keep your stuff inside their structure. fixed : don’t use structures you don’t own, unless you don’t mind losing your bpos (like parts BPOs). That’s the exact reason I started using my own structures, before CCP added the cores and the abandoned state. Now it takes 2years to research a BPO in station? yeah, whatever. You set your omega alts, then you start the 30 jobs and stop being omegas for 2years. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2021, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779/49 "2021-04-27T15:27:37Z")
> [@zazzmatazz\_Xu](#): > > And what is sadder is those that absolutely know they are and are fine with it Well, atleast they are aware of it. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2021, 3:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779/50 "2021-04-27T15:29:12Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I don’t (do we know **anything** about what CCP intends, aside from milking the players for as many monies as possible?), but if I had to put money on something Sure, so this could all be working as intended, and you could just be mistaken. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2021, 3:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779/51 "2021-04-27T15:35:53Z")
> [@Haisuras\_Huura\_Kanjus](#): > > There have been many outfits who take years to scam people and make their mark… this will do nothing. Think Guiding Hand Social Club and others. The Guiding Hand Social Club has NEVER scammed anyone. This is an outrageous accusation, and we have taken note of your egregious insult. You will be hearing from us in the future. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2021, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779/52 "2021-04-27T15:37:14Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > no, they can’t. I was referring to them as structures based on the more colloquially accepted definition of what a structure is. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2021, 4:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779/53 "2021-04-27T16:43:50Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > the more colloquially accepted definition of what a structure is. so, saying a cat is a dog because it’s the “more colloquially accepted definition” is okay ? /me takes notes. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2021, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779/54 "2021-04-27T17:34:20Z")
Stations are structures. They are listed in the “Structure Browser”. If they were not structures they would not be listed there. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2021, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779/55 "2021-04-27T17:40:09Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > If they were not structures they would not be listed there. No. proof : they are not structures but are still listed in the structure browser. Stations and structures are two different categories, with no element shared. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2021, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779/56 "2021-04-27T17:44:11Z")
It’s pretty clear that stations are a type of structure. They are clearly listed in the Structure Browser as a category of structure, along with Citadels, Engineering Complexes, etc. There is no “Station Browser”. Stations are a structure. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/b/2/1b2dc649b13b256cb923b8775cde4cc882d4b685.png) ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2021, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779/57 "2021-04-27T17:45:06Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > It’s pretty clear that stations are a type of structure. It’s trivial that stations are not structures. Just because they are listed along stuctures does not make them structures. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2021, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779/58 "2021-04-27T17:46:05Z")
Stations are clearly listed in the “Structure Browser”. If you have an argument as to why they are some sort of magical exception, make it. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2021, 5:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779/59 "2021-04-27T17:49:13Z")
I don’t need to, it’s just illogical. Just because they are listed in the structure browser, does not mean that the structure browser only lists structures. The structure browser lists structures AND stations. You use the definition : structures are types that belong to the category “structures”, while stations are types that belong to the category “stations”. Just like modules are types that belong to the category “modules” and ships are types that belong to the category “ships”. Those categories have zero item in common, therefore stations can’t be structures and structures can’t be stations. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2021, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779/60 "2021-04-27T17:51:27Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > I don’t need to You can’t. It’s okay, I understand. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Just because they are listed in the structure browser, does not mean that the structure browser only lists structures. What other non-structure entities does the Structure Browser list? > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > The structure browser lists structures AND stations. Because stations are a type of structure. ^-^ > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Just like modules are types that belong to the category “modules” and ships are types that belong to the category “ships”. False analogy. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779.md?page=4)