# BPO halt + Low power + Abandoned state **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [April 26, 2021, 3:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779 "2021-04-26T03:25:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2021, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779/101 "2021-04-27T19:04:16Z")
get ready for spankin !!! ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2021, 7:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779/102 "2021-04-27T19:05:32Z")
No, they go for the knuckles. If it was spanking, I would’ve turned Catholic ages ago. Free spankings every week? Sign me the hell up. Do you even know how much money that would save me? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2021, 10:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779/103 "2021-04-27T22:05:50Z")
I think I lost a BPO in a Station. Then I remembered the Search Bar. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779/104 "2021-04-28T16:15:51Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > so, saying a cat is a dog because it’s the “more colloquially accepted definition” is okay ? Do you know what the definition of a structure is? Do NPC stations fit that definition? If your answer is no, to either question, please elaborate. If its yes, then I was right, and your comparison is disingenuous. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 4:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779/105 "2021-04-28T16:49:41Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Do you know what the definition of a structure is? yes, in the game a structure is an item whose type belong to the category “structure”. Same as say, ships, skills, drones, charges, asteroids, etc. No, stations don’t fit that definition. Because stations belong to the category “station”. I ALREADY gave the corresponding links. You are just repeating the same thing that is wrong. in the game, an item “is a” X if its type/group/category (or even marketgroup) name is X. My ship is a maller if its type is the type “maller”, is a cruiser if its group is the group “cruiser”, is a ship if its category is the category “ship” Saying stations are structures, is the same as saying ships are skills. It’s just wrong, and repeating it won’t make it right. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779/106 "2021-04-28T17:22:53Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > yes, in the game a structure is an item whose type belong to the category “structure”. Same as say, ships, skills, drones, charges, asteroids, etc. > > No, stations don’t fit that definition. Because stations belong to the category “station”. Stations belong to the superordinate category “Structure”, which breaks down into “NPC Stations” and “Player Owned Structures” (Citadels, Engineering Complexes, etc). > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Saying stations are structures, is the same as saying ships are skills. It’s just wrong, and repeating it won’t make it right. Nope. ^-^ Saying NPC Stations are structures is the same as saying that the Gallente Carrier skillbook and the Amarr Frigate skillbook are skillbooks. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779/107 "2021-04-28T17:43:47Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > yes, in the game a structure is an item whose type belong to the category “structure”. Same as say, ships, skills, drones, charges, asteroids, etc. And in real life, i.e. colloquially? What does a structure mean in real life? ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779/108 "2021-04-28T17:45:08Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > Stations belong to the superordinate category “Structure” This does not exist. On the opposite I gave you links listing the categories. You just ignored it. Ignoring facts won’t make you right. It only makes you stupid. > [@Xuixien](#): > > Nope. Yes. > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > What does a structure mean in real life? In real life, there is no BPO. Using terms out of context is a usual mistake. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 5:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779/109 "2021-04-28T17:47:47Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > In real life, there is no BPO. > Using terms out of context is a usual mistake. In the EVE lore, there is no EVE forums. Discussing here means we are discussing outside of the context of the video game and its lore. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779/110 "2021-04-28T17:50:46Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > In the EVE lore, there is no EVE forums. Therefore we are not in the Eve lore. > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Discussing here means we are discussing outside of the context of the video game and its lore. On the opposite, talking about “bpo halt + low power + abandoned state” which is the topic title implies to be discussing in the context of the game. I get now why you were completely wrong : you did not read the topic title. You thought this was about another game. hmmkay. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 5:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779/111 "2021-04-28T17:53:39Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Therefore we are not in the Eve lore. Youre wrong. We are not discussing it as if we were in EVE lore. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > On the opposite, talking about “bpo halt + low power + abandoned state” which is the topic title implies to be discussing in the context of the game. I said “And its lore”. Do you know what “And” means? ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779/112 "2021-04-28T18:00:40Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Youre wrong. We are not discussing it as if we were in EVE lore. You are wrong . There is a eve forum, therefore we are not in the eve lore, if the eve lore has no eve forum. That’s logical deduction from your affirmation. > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > I said “And its lore”. You wrote BS. Looking at the first post (or the title), it’s obvious the OP is actually about the game. Therefore your claim that “we are discussing outside of the context of the video game” is wrong. You just made a stupid affirmation, and used that stupid affirmation in your argument. It’s just wrong. You can add an AND after something false, it’s useless : you assertion is false by definition of AND. Seems like YOU don’t know what “AND” means ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 6:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779/113 "2021-04-28T18:10:38Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > You are wrong . There is a eve forum, therefore we are not in the eve lore, if the eve lore has no eve forum. The EVE forums is not the only possible avenue of discussion of EVE, even within the lore, as obviously, there must be a method of discussion within the EVE lore as well. So Yes, i was right. In EVE lore, there is no EVE forums, but within EVE lore, there is a method of discussion and communication. Therefore, we are not discussing it as if we were in EVE lore. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > You can add an AND after something false, it’s useless : you assertion is false by definition of AND. Seems like YOU don’t know what “AND” means Wrong. Lets say you make a comment, “Cats can climb trees”. Now, I can say to you, “You did not write about cats”, and I would be factually wrong. If I were to say “You did not write about cats and their ability to hunt mice”, then yes, I would be right. You can add an AND after something false and make it true. It appears you dont know what AND means yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779/114 "2021-04-28T18:18:04Z")
We need to captcha Anderson…I’m starting to think it might be a bot… ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779/115 "2021-04-28T18:41:29Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > So Yes, i was right. By saying that I am wrong, while I am just making a very logical deduction from your assertion, you are wrong. I don’t know/care about what you mean. The Eve lore is off topic. By the simple fact that we are using the eve forum, and your assertion that in the eve lore there is no eve forum, we can deduce that we are not in the eve lore. Claiming this is false needs to precisely point out where the flaw actually is, if there is one. Until then, you are wrong by the definition of claiming something false. > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Therefore, we are not discussing it as if we were in EVE lore. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Therefore we are not in the Eve lore. If we are not discussing as if we were in the Eve lore, it implies we are not in the eve lore. So you are saying that I am wrong, then show that I am right. Logic does not seem to be your strong point. > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > You can add an AND after something false and make it true. No you can’t. What you did was **replace** a part of your comment by another one, NOT add an AND to your statement. You are not adding to something false, you are just changing the terms. Adding an AND statement would be, “you did not write about cats NOR their ability to hung mice”, which would still be wrong. So yes your first statement was wrong, which by definition of “and” means you were wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 6:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779/116 "2021-04-28T18:52:47Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > By saying that I am wrong, while I am just making a very logical deduction from your assertion, you are wrong. No, im saying the wording of your sentence is wrong. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > I don’t know/care about what you mean. That sums up your response quite nicely. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > By the simple fact that we are using the eve forum, and your assertion that in the eve lore there is no eve forum, we can deduce that we are not in the eve lore. Claiming this is false needs to precisely point out where the flaw actually is, if there is one. Until then, you are wrong by the definition of claiming something false. I already did. You summed it up by “I dont care”. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > If we are not discussing as if we were in the Eve lore, it implies we are not in the eve lore. And talking about NPC structures, implies I am talking about NPC stations. Congratulations, youve played yourself. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > No you can’t. What you did was **replace** a part of your comment by another one, NOT add an AND to your statement. So by adding an “And”, i was not adding an “And”? > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > You are not adding to something false, you are just changing the terms. Changing the terms of what? > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Adding an AND statement would be, “you did not write about cats NOR their ability to hung mice”, which would still be wrong. Only if you want to look at the two as two separate statements. The problem is, they can be a single statement. If you want to talk about cats and their ability to hunt mice, and not their ability to climb trees, then it is a single statement. Your “NOR” separates them into two different aspects. Which is fine. But if the person who is writing the sentence, specifically wants to talk about cats AND their ability to hunt mice, and not JUST cats in general, then an “AND” is apt. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 7:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779/117 "2021-04-28T19:05:33Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > That sums up your response quite nicely. Yes, when you are off topic I can just not care. You’re just trolling by making completely irrelevant posts. What is relevant, is that structures are defined in the game by the category. Which is different than the category station. Therefore, stations can’t be structures. Your digression about lore and co is just off topic stupidity. > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > So by adding an “And”, i was not adding an “And”? by adding a “and” to a word, you are not “adding an and to something false”. But yes false quoting is easier than logic. Your quotes are lies. > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Only if you want to look at the two as two separate statements. Nope. it’s the definition : you don’t talk about cats AND you don’t talk about dogs = you don’t talk about cats NOR dogs. we are out of the beach AND we are out of the sea = we are out of the beach AND the sea. That’s basic logic. If you add an AND to something wrong, which is what you did, the statement remains wrong. > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > The problem is, they can be a single statement. In that case you … > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > **replace** a part of your comment by another one, NOT add an AND to your statement. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 7:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779/118 "2021-04-28T19:29:36Z")
Stations are structures, which is why they are in the Structure Browser, regardless of how gamefiles are categorized for the purposes of programming (note that this is not an authoritative source, the Structure Browser is). ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 8:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779/119 "2021-04-28T20:16:06Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > You’re just trolling by making completely irrelevant posts. Using a single word colloquially doesnt mean im trolling. Pointing out that usage and saying “Wrong”, does. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Nope. it’s the definition : you don’t talk about cats AND you don’t talk about dogs = you don’t talk about cats NOR dogs. > we are out of the beach AND we are out of the sea = we are out of the beach AND the sea. > > That’s basic logic. If you add an AND to something wrong, which is what you did, the statement remains wrong. > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Lets say you make a comment, “Cats can climb trees”. > > Now, I can say to you, “You did not write about cats”, and I would be factually wrong. > > If I were to say “You did not write about cats and their ability to hunt mice”, then yes, I would be right. And yet my example disproves your point. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > In that case you … > > > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > > > **replace** a part of your comment by another one, NOT add an AND to your statement. You dont have to replace it completely, and thats the point. Case and point, the above example i made. disproving your point entirely. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779/120 "2021-04-28T20:29:23Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Using a single word colloquially doesnt mean im trolling. Strawman. talking about the lore is completely irrelevant to the topic. Asking questions about the lore is thus off topic. Insisting on this specific point, while it was stupid to start with, is just trolling. > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > And yet my example disproves your point. No. Your example is irrelevant : it is of no relevance to the point I made. You are misquoting me to make a strawman, but you are still irrelevant to the point I made. > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > You dont have to replace it completely, and thats the point. You are still replacing it, and that’s the point. Case and point, your point is irrelevant to the point I made - you are making a false quote. So no, you are not disproving anything but a strawman. If you add an “and X” to something false, it remains false. That’s the definition of “and”. You claiming otherwise is a proof you are ignorant of the basics of logic. Your point was then that changing the original false thing by including an “and” inside is the same as adding “and X” to it, is wrong. I explained with the “nor”. Which makes even more stupid your personal attack of > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Do you know what “And” means? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bpo-halt-low-power-abandoned-state/307779.md?page=7)