# BR Trolling Fit, anti-ganker ideas **URL:** \ **Category:** PvP Ships & Modules\ **Created:** [October 20, 2018, 8:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/br-trolling-fit-anti-ganker-ideas/114509 "2018-10-20T20:14:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Peep\_Toad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/peep_toad/32/102286_2.png) [@Peep\_Toad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Peep_Toad)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2018, 8:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/br-trolling-fit-anti-ganker-ideas/114509/1 "2018-10-20T20:14:37Z")
All, I was thinking of some reverse pvp ideas for anti-ganker activities. One is the trolling, anti-tornado BR fit: [Prorator, Prorator fit] Damage Control II Reinforced Bulkheads II Reinforced Bulkheads II Reinforced Bulkheads II Large Shield Extender II EM Ward Amplifier II Covert Ops Cloaking Device II [Empty High slot] Medium Transverse Bulkhead II Medium Transverse Bulkhead II EHP with perfect skills is around 38k. Does anyone have something similar that pushes closer to 50k, without links/slaves/expensive stuff and BR only? Separately, is there a linked/slaved fit for any of the 4 BR that eclipses this? Additionally, the em ward could be swapped out to something active of course. The goal here is that on Jita undock you have the 1-2 tornadoes that typically pewpew loot lottery, and it would be fun to take advantage of that. You could probably take up to 3 tornado alpha strikes before docking as well. Cheers ---
**Author:** ![Rivr\_Luzade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rivr_luzade/32/311061_2.png) [@Rivr\_Luzade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rivr_Luzade)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2018, 8:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/br-trolling-fit-anti-ganker-ideas/114509/2 "2018-10-20T20:15:55Z")
You are lacking the whore gun. 😄 ---
**Author:** ![Peep\_Toad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/peep_toad/32/102286_2.png) [@Peep\_Toad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Peep_Toad)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2018, 8:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/br-trolling-fit-anti-ganker-ideas/114509/3 "2018-10-20T20:20:16Z")
Great call on the whore gun, though if station games, getting aggro may be counterproductive, still it would be funny. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2018, 8:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/br-trolling-fit-anti-ganker-ideas/114509/4 "2018-10-20T20:40:34Z")
between 40 and 50k ehp each. > **crane** > > ``` > [Crane, *Simulated Crane] > Damage Control II > Power Diagnostic System II > > Large Shield Extender II > EM Ward Amplifier II > EM Ward Amplifier II > Explosive Deflection Amplifier II > > Medium Core Defense Field Extender II > Medium Core Defense Field Extender II > > ``` > **prowler** > > ``` > [Prowler, *Simulated Prowler] > Damage Control II > Power Diagnostic System II > Power Diagnostic System II > > Large Shield Extender II > Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II > Adaptive Invulnerability Field II > > Medium Core Defense Field Extender II > Medium Core Defense Field Extender II > > ``` > **viator** > > ``` > [Viator, *Simulated Viator] > Damage Control II > Reinforced Bulkheads II > Reinforced Bulkheads II > > Large Shield Extender II > EM Ward Amplifier II > Medium Shield Extender II > > Medium Transverse Bulkhead II > Medium Transverse Bulkhead II > > ``` going active on the crane I can reach 55k ehp with blinged shield and powerdiag. with pith x-type em+expl harnder and C-type invul+blinged DC , I reach 78k ehp. OL I reach 107k EHP. with cormak lows and estamel mids I reach 100k cold/146kOL. ---
**Author:** ![Peep\_Toad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/peep_toad/32/102286_2.png) [@Peep\_Toad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Peep_Toad)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 1:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/br-trolling-fit-anti-ganker-ideas/114509/5 "2018-10-21T01:17:15Z")
Thanks Anderson, great fits the model well! I’ve got two other fits coming up in a minute for a cheap auto-pilot fit that is designed to win isk battles against gankers, or at least provide some comedy. ---
**Author:** ![Peep\_Toad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/peep_toad/32/102286_2.png) [@Peep\_Toad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Peep_Toad)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 1:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/br-trolling-fit-anti-ganker-ideas/114509/6 "2018-10-21T01:36:11Z")
So here is a fit, that I think can be fun to autopilot, especially using multiple accounts to do the same thing. The idea is to double wrap a cheap item, or something trolly and worthless. Then the ganker makes the decision to pew pew the loot pinata (which obviously is a bust). I’ve been thinking of two routes, either a brick tank t1 or a anti-tank cargo expander t1 hauler. Insure and losses are minimal and they foot the bill for the gank. Here is a cheap brick that has been updated for more EHP, ~36k. [Badger, Badger fit] Mark I Compact Power Diagnostic System Mark I Compact Power Diagnostic System Mark I Compact Power Diagnostic System Damage Control II Large Azeotropic Restrained Shield Extender Large Azeotropic Restrained Shield Extender Upgraded EM Ward Amplifier I Thermal Dissipation Amplifier I Medium Shield Extender I Explosive Deflection Amplifier I [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot] Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Catalysts and thrashers (non t2 fit) tend to cost on the order of 1.5 mil at a minimum. Normally, they are fielded between 5-10 million in value. So as long as we fit for under 2 million for this tactic, smiles can be had. Core defense field extenders, even the t1 versions, make it a bit too expensive, could try and fit in some additional powergrid in order to get another shield extender or two in the mids. So I’ll play with that a bit to see how high I can get the tank. Cheers ---
**Author:** ![techzer0](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/techzer0/32/101314_2.png) [@techzer0](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/techzer0)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 5:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/br-trolling-fit-anti-ganker-ideas/114509/7 "2018-10-21T05:40:08Z")
You guys understand that they will scan you long before you ever get near the systems where a gank would happen. They know the EHP and what is needed to gank you before you ever show up. They have intel channels for this type of troll. At the very least you are trolling yourselves with this fit. Wonder why no other gankers have replied? They are happy with you wasting your own time. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 8:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/br-trolling-fit-anti-ganker-ideas/114509/8 "2018-10-21T08:12:28Z")
Maybe go with less tank and at the key parts refit with components you’ve brought there earlier (preferably with a different alt). Just a random idea. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 8:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/br-trolling-fit-anti-ganker-ideas/114509/9 "2018-10-21T08:39:38Z")
> [@techzer0](#): > > You guys understand that they will scan you long before you ever get near the systems where a gank would happen. not if he has a double wrap. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 9:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/br-trolling-fit-anti-ganker-ideas/114509/10 "2018-10-21T09:05:31Z")
Umm to me it seemed he was talking about ship scanners (not cargo scanners) as he mentioned they will know the exact EHP of the ship beforehand (due to the scan). At least that seems to me how he meant it. 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Australian\_Excellence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/australian_excellence/32/367782_2.png) [@Australian\_Excellence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Australian_Excellence)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/br-trolling-fit-anti-ganker-ideas/114509/11 "2018-10-21T12:12:18Z")
Seems like a lot of effort to waste your own time and a couple of hundred mil (pennies) of gank ships. ---
**Author:** ![techzer0](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/techzer0/32/101314_2.png) [@techzer0](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/techzer0)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 12:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/br-trolling-fit-anti-ganker-ideas/114509/12 "2018-10-21T12:15:15Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > not if he has a double wrap. You can’t double wrap your ship modules. If you can I would advise you to ticket that because it is against the rules. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 12:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/br-trolling-fit-anti-ganker-ideas/114509/13 "2018-10-21T12:17:24Z")
but double wrapping some carbon is not against the rules, is it ? ---
**Author:** ![Peep\_Toad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/peep_toad/32/102286_2.png) [@Peep\_Toad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Peep_Toad)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/br-trolling-fit-anti-ganker-ideas/114509/14 "2018-10-21T15:42:44Z")
Hi all, Again thanks for the opinions. As Anderson commented, the scanning is for the cargo (in the case of the t1 haulers). Thus the potential ganker finds a double wrap and wants to roll the lottery (similar to how they would do the same thought process for a BR). As for tactics: 1. The blockade runner idea is primarily for station games at Jita (aka when you see a BR get popped on undock). The idea here is to not lose the ship and make them incur the cost of the gank while returning empty handed. 2. The t1 hauler idea is to have a ship that is trivial of cost and less than the gankers incurred expense (hence winning an isk battle). Both ideas rely upon the desire of the ganker to roll the dice on an unknown cargo. Cheers ---
**Author:** ![Peep\_Toad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/peep_toad/32/102286_2.png) [@Peep\_Toad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Peep_Toad)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2018, 11:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/br-trolling-fit-anti-ganker-ideas/114509/15 "2018-10-21T23:19:15Z")
Body count so far: Kill Rights: 1 Kills: 1 x tornado Losses: None yet ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 7:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/br-trolling-fit-anti-ganker-ideas/114509/16 "2018-10-22T07:48:42Z")
No zkill link? 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Peep\_Toad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/peep_toad/32/102286_2.png) [@Peep\_Toad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Peep_Toad)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/br-trolling-fit-anti-ganker-ideas/114509/17 "2018-10-22T14:50:13Z")
First victim to the second type of fit, cheap-o badger. Zkill not available until api pull as I didn’t have a whore gun. Was in the kitchen when I heard the status update go off lol, thought it was a skill training completing to be honest, then the tornado popped in the overview as I sat down. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/9/a/9a8b543fb870f35bb3fd2d27d5d284eaba794c9f.jpeg) Got into ~half shield from the alpha. Next time I’ll try and screen-grab the overview in time, was more excited watching the strategy work. Took about an hour or so of auto-pilot before it happened. Cheers! ---
**Author:** ![Peep\_Toad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/peep_toad/32/102286_2.png) [@Peep\_Toad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Peep_Toad)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2018, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/br-trolling-fit-anti-ganker-ideas/114509/18 "2018-10-22T21:01:45Z")
Body count now: Kill Rights: 7 Kills: 1 x tornado 3x Thrasher 1x Maller 2x unknown Losses: None yet Some killmails/lossmails for them: > **[Coercer | Daniel Chanline | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/73059678/)** > > Daniel Chanline (Pandemic Horde Inc.) lost their Coercer in Juunigaishi (The Citadel) Total Value: 1,654,112.47 ISK > **[Coercer | Shy Elf Trap | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/73059677/)** > > Shy Elf Trap (Pandemic Horde Inc.) lost their Coercer in Juunigaishi (The Citadel) Total Value: 1,654,112.47 ISK > **[Maller | brainlet | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/73059676/)** > > brainlet (Pandemic Horde Inc.) lost their Maller in Juunigaishi (The Citadel) Total Value: 17,883,995.15 ISK God I need a whore gun, though lock times are pretty damn long. An additional idea is to be a bit more proactive, so have a scout in an interceptor, a pvp pew ship, and the bait. Then fly with that group (3 box). Might get better whorage. Cheers ---
**Author:** ![Luscius\_Uta](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/luscius_uta/32/385796_2.png) [@Luscius\_Uta](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Luscius_Uta)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 10:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/br-trolling-fit-anti-ganker-ideas/114509/19 "2018-10-23T10:52:36Z")
You can’t ship scan cloaked ships. If you can I would advise you to ticket that because it is against the rules. ---
**Author:** ![techzer0](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/techzer0/32/101314_2.png) [@techzer0](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/techzer0)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 11:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/br-trolling-fit-anti-ganker-ideas/114509/20 "2018-10-23T11:16:02Z")
> [@Luscius\_Uta](#): > > You can’t ship scan cloaked ships. You can’t cloak right after undocking in any of the trade hubs. If you are cloaking while still right next to a station I would advise you to ticket that because it is against the rules. [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/br-trolling-fit-anti-ganker-ideas/114509.md?page=2)