# Broker Relations **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** official, devblog\ **Created:** [February 24, 2020, 10:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752 "2020-02-24T10:10:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 108
**Author:** ![Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archer_en_tilavine/32/461718_2.png) [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archer_en_Tilavine)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 11:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/2219 "2020-12-18T11:37:20Z")
Nope 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Sinny\_Scwasp](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sinny_scwasp/32/250457_2.png) [@Sinny\_Scwasp](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sinny_Scwasp)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 2:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/2220 "2021-01-09T14:09:49Z")
As a station trader who just returned to the game, finding out about the change to order modifcation prices has basically ruined my excitement about returning to Eve after a number of years away from the game. Doubt I’m gonna stick around after my omega for the month expires. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 5:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/2221 "2021-01-09T17:28:46Z")
Nice to know it’s working as intended. ---
**Author:** ![Eynsane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eynsane/32/247078_2.png) [@Eynsane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eynsane)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 7:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/2222 "2021-01-09T19:18:39Z")
I understand you. Interesting note : That changes were in april 2020 aprox. I leave markets and for covid and oher RL things, not do much in may-december. When recently they make the yearly video option, i was suprprised for i was 1% and 2% top in travel, market and mining with my main. And he dont do NOTHING in seven months. The market is now concentrated in few people, and regional markets are trash. ---
**Author:** ![Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mkikaden_tiragen/32/243913_2.png) [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mkikaden_Tiragen)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2021, 11:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/2223 "2021-01-09T23:06:48Z")
> [@Eynsane](#): > > When recently they make the yearly video option, i was suprprised for i was 1% and 2% top in travel, market and mining with my main. The yearly videos don’t account for all players, only the _characters_ that have done videos at the time the individual video was produced. So if most players picked to pull the video from a non-market character, the stats are horribly skewed percentage-wise. The figures are also blatantly wrong in a lot of cases. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/2224 "2021-01-10T12:51:43Z")
> [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](#): > > So if most players picked to pull the video from a non-market character, the stats are horribly skewed percentage-wise. consider the SP farms, the newbros. consider that most people have a trade alt at most to get stuff from jita so 1/3 of the alts are not even trading. Consider the cloaky campers, the alphas. Then you realize not even 90% of the characters do actually any trade. ---
**Author:** ![Sinny\_Scwasp](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sinny_scwasp/32/250457_2.png) [@Sinny\_Scwasp](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sinny_Scwasp)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 11:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/2225 "2021-01-10T23:33:09Z")
Gonna assume you meant that sarcastically or I’m just missing something 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Xyfu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xyfu/32/261913_2.png) [@Xyfu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xyfu)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/2226 "2021-01-26T13:05:19Z")
> those who for some bizarre reason miss the penny game + updating orders multiple times a day and felt these were good, healthy, desirable gameplay styles that should have been preserved Yeah, â– â– â– â–  people who enjoy playing the game a different way to me, amirite? ---
**Author:** ![Brewlar\_Kuvakei](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brewlar_kuvakei/32/422694_2.png) [@Brewlar\_Kuvakei](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brewlar_Kuvakei)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/2227 "2021-01-26T13:27:31Z")
Buy orders always ttt perim +1 to buy jita 4/4 owing to TTT cheaper broker fee. Sale orders always jita 4/4 as shopper access \> discount fee’s. Except for high value, bulk buy items which can be sold at TTT, injectors, plex, large ships such as freighters, jf’s or Orca. Expensive bulks over 25 ish billion best to privo contract to avoid fee’s altogether. Customer convince & quick turn arounds are worth more thanf excess fee’s on items less than 1bn. ---
**Author:** ![Krawin\_Ashlan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/krawin_ashlan/32/262591_2.png) [@Krawin\_Ashlan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Krawin_Ashlan)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2021, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/2229 "2021-03-24T16:19:33Z")
It is understandable that something have to be done against bots. The problem is that this update destroys the pvp market battles. It was fun and exciting for me. It gave opportunities to get buy/sell offers quick, so you could move quick the money and transformed what it seemed a passive task into an active strategic activity. Now it takes forever to sell/buy things (I have found people buy/sell orders worse than mine (they are not top)) . Possible solution: Why not implementing every 5-10 orders a task that a robot can not perform (like google one) or a minigame. English is not my native language, sorry in advance for my mistakes. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2021, 4:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/2230 "2021-03-24T16:21:18Z")
> [@Krawin\_Ashlan](#): > > Possible solution: Why not implementing every 5-10 orders a task that a robot can not perform (like google one) or a minigame. because it’s actually working as intended. > [@Krawin\_Ashlan](#): > > The problem is that this update destroys the pvp market battles. It was fun and exciting for me. Good riddance. PVP is expensive, so now you can still do them - but you have to lose your benefit in the process. > [@Krawin\_Ashlan](#): > > It gave opportunities to get buy/sell offers quick, so you could move quick the money and transformed what it seemed a passive task into an active strategic activity. translation : you enjoyed the no-brain 0.01 isk where the only thing that matters is the time you can sink in the activity. Good riddance. ---
**Author:** ![Krawin\_Ashlan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/krawin_ashlan/32/262591_2.png) [@Krawin\_Ashlan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Krawin_Ashlan)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2021, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/2231 "2021-03-24T16:48:59Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > because it’s actually working as intended. Well, if the market is intended as performing one action every 3-7 days the update is ok. Now you can not manage the market and its fluctuancy, for me it gets unsubstantial. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Good riddance. PVP is expensive, so now you can still do them - but you have to lose your benefit in the process. Before you could lose benefit anyway, now it seems almost impossible to be the main income source. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > translation : you enjoyed the no-brain 0.01 isk where the only thing that matters is the time you can sink in the activity. Good riddance. The problem is that now not veteran users can not participate, neither compete with the ones who has millions and don’t mind waiting for the isk return. If the 0,01 bothers some people another solution could be to put a minimum bid higher than the minimum. In eve I like to perform different activities, sometimes I don’t mind sitting and do a more relax activity like what you say no-brain activity lol Thanks for the reply 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2021, 5:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/2232 "2021-03-24T17:05:16Z")
> [@Krawin\_Ashlan](#): > > Before you could lose benefit anyway, now it seems almost impossible to be the main income source. Sorry but you can still compete with other and make a benefit. The difference, is that 0.01 isking WILL be at your loss. So the brainless part is gone. > [@Krawin\_Ashlan](#): > > The problem is that now not veteran users can not participate, neither compete with the ones who has millions and don’t mind waiting for the isk return. If the 0,01 bothers some people another solution could be to put a minimum bid higher than the minimum. I agree that now you have to wait. I don’t see how this is bad. The only thing that is bad IMO is that people put less orders on the market. So it’s more difficult to get items when you need them. ---
**Author:** ![Krawin\_Ashlan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/krawin_ashlan/32/262591_2.png) [@Krawin\_Ashlan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Krawin_Ashlan)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2021, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/2233 "2021-03-24T17:40:39Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > I agree that now you have to wait. I don’t see how this is bad. That is the thing for a market specialist, time in the market order (frozen asset) is loss of money, you need to sell/buy as quick as possible to make profit or think if it is better to increase benefit but waiting more time. Now the first part is gone. Brainless can be many activities in eve (not always): like mining, exploration high sec, low agent missions,… Not for this reason they are gone. I wonder, did you really enjoy putting orders in the market, see how you can benefit of one jump of prices, watching how you speculate and benefit from it… As you say, before the market was alive, full of diferent items, now I see it and feels like a void… Maybe I am too nerd lol ---
**Author:** ![Krawin\_Ashlan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/krawin_ashlan/32/262591_2.png) [@Krawin\_Ashlan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Krawin_Ashlan)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2021, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/2234 "2021-03-24T17:42:45Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Sorry but you can still compete with other and make a benefit. The difference, is that 0.01 isking WILL be at your loss. So the brainless part is gone. Competition is somewhat fierce, a one action every 5 days… Kind of cold ---
**Author:** ![Marek\_Kanenald](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marek_kanenald/32/257788_2.png) [@Marek\_Kanenald](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marek_Kanenald)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2021, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/2235 "2021-03-24T17:55:23Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Sorry but you can still compete with other and make a benefit. The difference, is that 0.01 isking WILL be at your loss. So the brainless part is gone. There is no 0.01 isking anyway because of the 4 digit rule. Why are you trying to solve a problem that is already solved? ---
**Author:** ![Krawin\_Ashlan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/krawin_ashlan/32/262591_2.png) [@Krawin\_Ashlan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Krawin_Ashlan)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2021, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/2236 "2021-03-24T18:01:28Z")
> [@Alistair\_Atreides](#): > > Increasing or decreasing taxes wont affect how much people expect to be paid for their time and effort. You are wrong, for a market specialist there are two ways of making money. One is to sell/buy quick with less benefit. The other is to increase benefits at expense of more time. A frozen asset is a loss of money. With this update the first part is gone ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2021, 7:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/2237 "2021-03-24T19:18:27Z")
> [@Krawin\_Ashlan](#): > > A frozen asset is a loss of money. Na. A frozen asset is delayed benefit. ---
**Author:** ![Adunh\_Slavy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adunh_slavy/32/265310_2.png) [@Adunh\_Slavy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adunh_Slavy)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2021, 7:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/2238 "2021-03-24T19:35:20Z")
Fees are a bit too heavy handed, but the changes are good ones. Now we need better graph tools, how about some candles and an options/futures market. ---
**Author:** ![Krawin\_Ashlan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/krawin_ashlan/32/262591_2.png) [@Krawin\_Ashlan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Krawin_Ashlan)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2021, 7:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/2239 "2021-03-24T19:37:32Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Na. A frozen asset is delayed benefit. It is the same as for the people who farm sp to tell them that not maximising their benefits with implants is a delayed benefit… Not winning if your main income is the market means not only a delayed benefit but also the impossibility to play (with the new broker’s fee) [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752.md?page=107) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752.md?page=109)