# Broker Relations **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** official, devblog\ **Created:** [February 24, 2020, 10:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752 "2020-02-24T10:10:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Anu\_Vare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anu_vare/32/188876_2.png) [@Anu\_Vare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anu_Vare)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/246 "2020-02-24T18:14:20Z")
“let’s take a game based on a free market economy and destroy that. What could go wrong?” Margin trading was the only thing that made trading accessible to new players. Now we’ll have a few established traders running the show. lol, there are many other ways to handle bottling and margin scams but this is like burning down the house to kill the rat in your basement. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 6:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/247 "2020-02-24T18:15:00Z")
> [@Karmastat](#): > > To find that scam you just check the sell history. u see it has never sold/bought anywhere near the inflated price … done. or just look at the number of required items, when it’s \>1 then it’s a scam. Still for someone that does not know about it, the market interface is lying. ---
**Author:** ![879](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/879/32/257486_2.png) [@879](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/879)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 6:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/248 "2020-02-24T18:17:00Z")
Does eliminating the ability to trade on margin even impact botting one way or the other? I guess there’s less reason to bot because trading will be less lucrative, but as you say, we’re burning down the house with this change. And the margin trading scam… who cares? How often were people ever impacted by this haha. ---
**Author:** ![Karmastat](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karmastat/32/88179_2.png) [@Karmastat](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karmastat)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 6:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/249 "2020-02-24T18:21:37Z")
> [@879](#): > > And the margin trading scam… who cares? How often were people ever impacted by this haha. Exactly. so no one will miss it. On the other hand by the time you get into marketing as a profession and get your skill trained up, you should have enough Isk to cover all your buy orders anyway. It really only helps during that period during you are starting out. ---
**Author:** ![Nicholas\_Goldfinder](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicholas_goldfinder/32/188817_2.png) [@Nicholas\_Goldfinder](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicholas_Goldfinder)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 6:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/250 "2020-02-24T18:25:03Z")
> Exactly. so no one will miss it. On the other hand by the time you get into marketing as a profession and get your skill trained up, you should have enough Isk to cover all your buy orders anyway. It really only helps during that period during you are starting out. In the meanwhile you just elicited a big role playing feature from the game. Very sad ---
**Author:** ![TW0](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tw0/32/168406_2.png) [@TW0](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TW0)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/251 "2020-02-24T18:33:58Z")
its pansy ass’s like you wrecking the game and real world bubble wrap everything FFS ---
**Author:** ![Staq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/staq/32/236552_2.png) [@Staq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Staq)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 2:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/252 "2020-02-24T14:06:03Z")
CCP, if you are **completely** changing the underlying function of a skill, do not move the skill points to the new replacement skill. Let the capusleer decide. The “Margin Trading” and “Advanced Broker Relations” skill have NO inherit commonality. "The existing Margin Trading skill will be changed into Advanced Broker Relations. The skill’s former ability to reduce the amount of ISK placed into escrow when creating a buy order is going to be removed. It will be replaced with an ability that provides an increasing discount to the Relist Charge. The skill will keep its existing rank. Any points trained into Margin Trading will now apply to Advanced Broker Relations instead." Whenever a skill is deprecated, a skill point refund should be issued. Let the capsuleer decide on what skill would benefit them the most. I currently do relist my market order every now and then, but I do not micro-manage my market. The new market mechanics coupled with the skill benefit of “reduced” cost of relisting items shows no immediate benefit to my marketing strategy and I will possibly never train the skill. ---
**Author:** ![Theron\_Larkis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theron_larkis/32/170573_2.png) [@Theron\_Larkis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Theron_Larkis)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 2:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/253 "2020-02-24T14:11:17Z")
Why are you so narcissistic that you think you’re too good to actually post in the relevant thread for it? ---
**Author:** ![GandolftheWhite](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gandolfthewhite/32/172709_2.png) [@GandolftheWhite](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/GandolftheWhite)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 2:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/254 "2020-02-24T14:15:11Z")
> [@Theron\_Larkis](#): > > Why are you so narcissistic that you think you’re too good to actually post in the relevant thread for it? Why dont you have anything to say moron? ---
**Author:** ![Theron\_Larkis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theron_larkis/32/170573_2.png) [@Theron\_Larkis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Theron_Larkis)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/255 "2020-02-24T14:40:36Z")
> [@GandolftheWhite](#): > > Why dont you have anything to say moron I did, I said it in the blog thread. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 6:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/256 "2020-02-24T18:22:11Z")
> [@GandolftheWhite](#): > > Why dont you have anything to say moron? What? ---
**Author:** ![Sky\_Marshal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sky_marshal/32/248701_2.png) [@Sky\_Marshal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sky_Marshal)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/257 "2020-02-24T18:37:36Z")
Margin Trading could be used as a scam, but this is normal and accepted in EVE. It was also handy to buy stuff despite being unable to pay for all for now because most of the time, it concerns long-term orders made to generate money in the long-term too. I have something like 100 B of orders on one character who can afford only the fifth, but they are setted for the long-run for if my predictions are accurate. Obviously, wealthy traders are able to do much more per character and take full advantage of this skill, but the small traders are also helped by it. With this, the very wealthy traders won’t be really affected because they have the cash to pay said orders. All other ones are screwed. This will discourage new players to trade as they will need to do [insert number] missions or mining sessions before being able to decently trade, as you have to pay upfront. In the real world, there are put warrants and call warrants on stocks and products you don’t even possess at the moment… You can short or long with money you don’t even have. In EVE, the actual margin trading is the implementation of this logic, so that you are removing it only contradict the idea that you want to _keep intact how it mirrors aspects of real-world economics._ tl;dr, don’t remove it. You are killing an entire gameplay just to reduce inflation. You will only get deflation. ---
**Author:** ![Imelda\_Virpio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/imelda_virpio/32/263899_2.png) [@Imelda\_Virpio](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Imelda_Virpio)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 6:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/258 "2020-02-24T18:39:26Z")
People often put up buys in ridiculous places. Any bot that can’t already deal with those has been bleeding money since forever. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 6:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/259 "2020-02-24T18:44:10Z")
So they attacked mining recently, now the markets. I wonder what they are planning to do in their industry/manufacturing shake up. ---
**Author:** ![Gizy\_V](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gizy_v/32/188881_2.png) [@Gizy\_V](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gizy_V)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 6:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/260 "2020-02-24T18:49:52Z")
Thanks this is better. Sit and change price .01 entire evening at Jita trying sell something is boring. ---
**Author:** ![Anu\_Vare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anu_vare/32/188876_2.png) [@Anu\_Vare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anu_Vare)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/261 "2020-02-24T18:51:36Z")
lol Real life markets are in the middle of a complete melt-up. Commodities are going nuts and retail traders are flooding the market driving for a cliff at top speed… This is brilliant: Just as everyone’s pocketbooks are about to be hit by the real life international supply chain disaster CCP throws the entire new eden economy under the bus as well. Going to make EVE so much more “realistic”! Been playing since 2007 but if this is the new direction CCP is taking then goodbye omega! ---
**Author:** ![LunarGlow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lunarglow/32/440833_2.png) [@LunarGlow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/LunarGlow)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/262 "2020-02-24T18:51:43Z")
> [@879](#): > > Does eliminating the ability to trade on margin even impact botting one way or the other? Sure, it looks good on paper. Reality however is another thing… Devs see the bot moving the price by 0.01. Devs do not see the amount for sale and completely disregards other factors of the market. ---
**Author:** ![LunarGlow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lunarglow/32/440833_2.png) [@LunarGlow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/LunarGlow)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/263 "2020-02-24T18:53:03Z")
I think i want to blame the Koreans for this one. I don’t think they actually play the game. ---
**Author:** ![Imelda\_Virpio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/imelda_virpio/32/263899_2.png) [@Imelda\_Virpio](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Imelda_Virpio)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/264 "2020-02-24T18:53:20Z")
So, you’ve just decided to reduce order volume in Jita by approximately two-thirds. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Yeranus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/justin_yeranus/32/196387_2.png) [@Justin\_Yeranus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Justin_Yeranus)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/265 "2020-02-24T18:53:29Z")
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