# Broker Relations **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** official, devblog\ **Created:** [February 24, 2020, 10:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752 "2020-02-24T10:10:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Artemis\_Pallas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/artemis_pallas/32/418697_2.png) [@Artemis\_Pallas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Artemis_Pallas)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 11:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/429 "2020-02-24T23:14:55Z")
The relisting fee is crazy ! Taking the case of the new broker relation V and broker relation V If you modified your order once a day in Jita you end up paying almost 0.7% of fee per day [(1-0.75)\*3.49 with my own standing]. That is 20% per month !! Is modifying your order to match the market once a day is considered so bad ? if so why ? > In **economic theory** , the law of **supply and demand** is considered one of the fundamental principles governing an **economy** that’s from wikipedia … and you are saying we are expected to determine price without that mecanism. If you have any reading about how to evaluate price of anything without asking the market itself I am interested in the reading. If you look at real world trading, there is no market place where people aren’t adjusting their price dayly (most of the time several time a day) and that considering that all market maker are robots (whose price update is way below the second …) How are people supposing to react to the change otherwise than trading at minima (no market maker, everyone who trade is a final user ? ) In the actual turmoil that the market is going through it seems absolutly abherant to beleive every actor know the exact price, it is pur fantaisy. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 11:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/430 "2020-02-24T23:16:11Z")
We need a third party to run the markets, outside of the Eve client. Handle all large purchases with private contracts. ---
**Author:** ![JayGatsby](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jaygatsby/32/392992_2.png) [@JayGatsby](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JayGatsby)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 11:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/431 "2020-02-24T23:16:30Z")
Its a good change, if you cant handel it, get good or go out of the way. People cry with any change and seem to be wrong with every change ---
**Author:** ![Jade\_Wiggin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jade_wiggin/32/188896_2.png) [@Jade\_Wiggin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jade_Wiggin)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 11:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/432 "2020-02-24T23:18:52Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > The CSM is owned by nullsec. So, reducing NPC bounty payments is off the table. NPC ratting in null was nerfed… several times… mining too… and I wouldn’t count on CCP running every idea through CSM, or CSM having an actual say in which changes get implemented. ---
**Author:** ![Pharoa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pharoa/32/183041_2.png) [@Pharoa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pharoa)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 11:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/433 "2020-02-24T23:19:23Z")
I don’t mind taxing citadels at greater that 0%. That is a non-issue for me. Right now there is just no reason to risk assets. I don’t have all the answers but I do know that they add ■■■■ like the red dot and refuse to fix meaningful sh1t. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 11:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/434 "2020-02-24T23:19:39Z")
> [@Pharoa](#): > > Why change the cost of relisting/modification cost? To encourage making meaningful price changes instead of adjusting by the absolute minimum as fast as possible. Now the person who wins is the one who sets the price right the first time, not the one who uses a bot to monitor their orders 23/7 and immediately undercut anyone who would take their sale. > [@Artemis\_Pallas](#): > > If you modified your order once a day in Jita you end up paying almost 0.7% of fee per day [(1-0.75)\*3.49 with my own standing]. That is 20% per month !! That’s the entire point! Set your prices correctly the first time instead of obsessively making minimum-size changes every day. And consider selling somewhere besides Jita. ---
**Author:** ![GoingOffRoading](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/goingoffroading/32/324763_2.png) [@GoingOffRoading](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/GoingOffRoading)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 11:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/435 "2020-02-24T23:21:26Z")
All of the changes EXCEPT the Isk Sink are great. The tick rounding - great The market adjustments - great Minimum fee - whatever But why pay half of that minimum fee to an NPC? Does that NPC provide benefit in return? (No…) So what is that fee paying for? ---
**Author:** ![Pharoa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pharoa/32/183041_2.png) [@Pharoa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pharoa)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 11:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/436 "2020-02-24T23:23:23Z")
But why pay half of that minimum fee to an NPC? Does that NPC provide benefit in return? (No…) So what is that fee paying for? It is only to remove Isk from the economy. Same as taxes and broker fees in general. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 11:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/437 "2020-02-24T23:24:22Z")
> [@GoingOffRoading](#): > > So what is that fee paying for? It is offsetting NPC bounty payments, NPC commodity orders (Wormhole NPC bounty payments), and Incursion NPC bounty payments. ---
**Author:** ![Ibrahim\_Tash-Murkon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ibrahim_tash-murkon/32/474183_2.png) [@Ibrahim\_Tash-Murkon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ibrahim_Tash-Murkon)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 11:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/438 "2020-02-24T23:24:29Z")
It’s not bad for me; it’s bad for the game. I already have all the ISK I’ll ever really need. I feel bad for marketeers starting out though if that’s what drew them to the game. Margin trading removal _and_ shrinking money velocity. Ouch. ---
**Author:** ![Calder\_Torres](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/calder_torres/32/293632_2.png) [@Calder\_Torres](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Calder_Torres)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 11:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/439 "2020-02-24T23:24:34Z")
I saw others have asked, what’s gonna happen to those of us without the liquid ISK to cover our outstanding buy orders? Has CCP answered? ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 11:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/440 "2020-02-24T23:25:21Z")
Your existing orders will continue. When they expire, you will be unable to relist them unless you can cover them 100%. ---
**Author:** ![Nicholas\_Goldfinder](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicholas_goldfinder/32/188817_2.png) [@Nicholas\_Goldfinder](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicholas_Goldfinder)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 11:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/441 "2020-02-24T23:25:42Z")
> The EVE market is not a stock market, it’s a retail market selling goods to the end user (sometimes via intermediate steps). well, that is, like, your opinion. Eve is a sandbox and the market is what it is allowed to be. At the current place, the market is the place for many professions. Some marketeers do not like what others do. Well, big fing deal. Let’s remove ganking from the game then. Oh, let’s remove ewar too. Btw, I do not like that weapons kill my ships. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 11:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/442 "2020-02-24T23:27:59Z")
> [@Calder\_Torres](#): > > Has CCP answered? If you read the article, yes, they have answered. Nothing happens and they will stay as they for up to 90 days (or whenever the market order runs out). Refreshing or updating the order will require that you comply with the changes. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 11:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/443 "2020-02-24T23:29:00Z")
> [@Nicholas\_Goldfinder](#): > > Eve is a sandbox and the market is what it is allowed to be. No. This is not a value judgement over what the EVE market _should_ be, it’s a statement of how the market actually functions. And the reality of the situation is that the EVE market is not a stock market. Every item on the market is an actual object being bought and sold, there are no corporate shares or other abstract financial entities. You can yell “sandbox” all you want, but that won’t magically make it possible to trade in stocks. ---
**Author:** ![Hedira](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hedira/32/383394_2.png) [@Hedira](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hedira)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 11:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/444 "2020-02-24T23:34:44Z")
It feels increasingly like CCP intends EVE Online to be nothing more than a space combat simulator. This change, like most of them over the past year, feels like they’re trying to drive people away from play styles that don’t involve banging ships together. These changes continue that progression. That’s not the game I’ve enjoyed playing this past decade. ---
**Author:** ![Pharoa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pharoa/32/183041_2.png) [@Pharoa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pharoa)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 11:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/445 "2020-02-24T23:34:54Z")
> [@Nicholas\_Goldfinder](#): > > Eve is a sandbox and the market is what it is allowed to be. Eve used to be a sandbox. Now Eve is a litterbox. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 11:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/446 "2020-02-24T23:37:21Z")
> [@Nicholas\_Goldfinder](#): > > well, that is, like, your opinion. No, it’s a definite fact. The EVE market is not a stock market. You cannot buy/sell/trade stocks in any corporation on the EVE market. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 11:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/447 "2020-02-24T23:37:32Z")
> [@Hedira](#): > > It feels increasingly like CCP intends EVE Online to be nothing more than a space combat simulator. They allow gambling now. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2020, 11:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/448 "2020-02-24T23:38:19Z")
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