# Broker Relations

**URL:** <https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752>\
**Category:** Dev Blogs\
**Tags:** official, devblog\
**Created:** [February 24, 2020, 10:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752 "2020-02-24T10:10:44Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
**Page:** 46

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**Author:** ![Herman\_Raffer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herman_raffer/32/189273_2.png) [@Herman\_Raffer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herman_Raffer)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2020, 1:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/916 "2020-02-27T13:59:26Z")

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Exactly this !

CCP are steering Eve into an economy of scarcity.  
We need to buy space ships and parts to play the game.  
Eve is going to be a lot less enjoyable when ships and module become scarce.

But what do they care …

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**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2020, 2:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/917 "2020-02-27T14:06:39Z")

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> [@Herman\_Raffer](#):
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> Eve is going to be a lot less enjoyable when ships and module become scarce.

Except that isn’t the case as there will be a shift to more production as the profits increase…supply and demand…

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**Author:** ![Herman\_Raffer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herman_raffer/32/189273_2.png) [@Herman\_Raffer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herman_Raffer)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2020, 2:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/918 "2020-02-27T14:26:10Z")

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We are talking about absolutely certain to come decrease in profitability through an increase in fees.  
Less profitability means less supply.

But please feel free to explain how an increase in brokers fees increases demand.

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**Author:** ![Meridim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/meridim/32/286186_2.png) [@Meridim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Meridim)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2020, 2:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/919 "2020-02-27T14:26:18Z")

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My thoughts too!!!

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**Author:** ![Jade\_Wiggin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jade_wiggin/32/188896_2.png) [@Jade\_Wiggin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jade_Wiggin)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2020, 2:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/920 "2020-02-27T14:26:58Z")

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> [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#):
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> Except that isn’t the case as there will be a shift to more production as the profits increase…supply and demand…

CCP openly says in their moon mineral distribution dev blog that their plan consists of three phases:

- Shortage phase
- Re-distribution phase
- Dynamic distribution phase

Except for some entities with stockpiles, what Is this producer supposed to produce from?

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**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2020, 2:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/921 "2020-02-27T14:29:26Z")

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> [@Jade\_Wiggin](#):
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> Except for some entities with stockpiles, what Is this producer supposed to produce from?

Shortage doesn’t mean none…NE is huge. We’ll manage.

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**Author:** ![Herman\_Raffer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herman_raffer/32/189273_2.png) [@Herman\_Raffer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herman_Raffer)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2020, 2:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/922 "2020-02-27T14:32:30Z")

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> [@Black\_Pedro](#):
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> Your competition will suffer/benefit exactly the same

Yes sure but why do the few traders of Eve have to pay for 20 years of CCP neglecting ISK sinks ?  
Can’t we distribute the load a little ?

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**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2020, 2:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/923 "2020-02-27T14:34:30Z")

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> [@Herman\_Raffer](#):
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> Can’t we distribute the load a little ?

Good traders profit in all economic states…

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**Author:** ![Jade\_Wiggin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jade_wiggin/32/188896_2.png) [@Jade\_Wiggin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jade_Wiggin)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2020, 2:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/924 "2020-02-27T14:37:16Z")

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> [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#):
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> Shortage doesn’t mean none…NE is huge. We’ll manage.

shortage  
_noun_  
a state or situation in which something needed cannot be obtained in sufficient amounts.

Some entities will manage, others won’t. Average availability on open market once ships become strategic resource? Doubtful if CCP is honest in its stated intentions.

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**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2020, 2:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/925 "2020-02-27T14:39:36Z")

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> [@Jade\_Wiggin](#):
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> in sufficient amounts

Like I said, it doesn’t mean _none_.

Do you really think CCP is going to allow it’s game to run out of ships?

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**Author:** ![Herman\_Raffer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herman_raffer/32/189273_2.png) [@Herman\_Raffer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herman_Raffer)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2020, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/926 "2020-02-27T14:44:40Z")

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Because it hits human traders MUCH harder than bots.

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**Author:** ![Alexis\_Aylet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alexis_aylet/32/238198_2.png) [@Alexis\_Aylet](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alexis_Aylet)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2020, 2:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/927 "2020-02-27T14:54:29Z")

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Isn’t “shoddy and half-assed” the only way CCP knows how do to anything?

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**Author:** ![Jade\_Wiggin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jade_wiggin/32/188896_2.png) [@Jade\_Wiggin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jade_Wiggin)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2020, 3:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/928 "2020-02-27T15:01:06Z")

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> [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#):
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> Do you really think CCP is going to allow it’s game to run out of ships?

I believe, CCP wants to reduce ISK faucets, increase ISK sinks and entice stockpiles reduction. But what CCP wants might not be exactly what CCP gets and it still requires players cooperating. And many might have different plans. And if they are strong armed to do only what is in line with chosen CCP strategy then it is not a player driven game anymore isn’t it?

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**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2020, 3:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/929 "2020-02-27T15:05:04Z")

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> [@Jade\_Wiggin](#):
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> it is not a player driven game anymore isn’t it

New Eden is player driven but CCP controls NE. You really need to understand this first before going off on conspiracy theories.

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**Author:** ![Herman\_Raffer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herman_raffer/32/189273_2.png) [@Herman\_Raffer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herman_Raffer)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2020, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/930 "2020-02-27T15:09:35Z")

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Mittani asked for scarcity and he is getting it.

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**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2020, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/931 "2020-02-27T15:12:22Z")

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Great! NE desperately needs lean times…

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**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2020, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/932 "2020-02-27T15:12:58Z")

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So long as they add the minerals to the NES, we won’t have a problem.

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**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2020, 3:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/933 "2020-02-27T15:14:08Z")

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Cheeky bugger…

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**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2020, 3:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/934 "2020-02-27T15:29:11Z")

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> [@Maximillian\_Logos](#):
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> yes we \<3 0.01 isk changes, coz its more profit

Only noobs and poors do that. I know people do it, but anyone who does is incompetent and has no idea what they are doing. Small time traders will .01 isk for days to make a little isk, but anyone running large amounts of isk is not going to waste their time.

Regardless, it is important for people in the market to adjust their prices. CCP’s tax will seriously undermine the market, and force people to resort to a barter economy, as the tax will cause people to avoid placing items on the market.

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**Author:** ![Stochastic\_X](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stochastic_x/32/183696_2.png) [@Stochastic\_X](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Stochastic_X)\
**Post date:** [February 27, 2020, 3:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/935 "2020-02-27T15:29:49Z")

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I will agree with all the proposed changes only if the option “Update the duration of market order / orders” is added to the game. This solves a lot of problems.  
Want to sell / buy faster = offer an adequate price.  
Was greedy = please pay a percentage for the price change.

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