# Broker Relations **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** official, devblog\ **Created:** [February 24, 2020, 10:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752 "2020-02-24T10:10:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 98
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2020, 4:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/2016 "2020-04-11T16:32:33Z")
> [@Marek\_Kanenald](#): > > 0.01 isking prices under 10 isk isn’t unreasonable in the first place. They will find their equilibrium in decent time just fine. Does not change a thing. ---
**Author:** ![Marek\_Kanenald](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marek_kanenald/32/257788_2.png) [@Marek\_Kanenald](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marek_Kanenald)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2020, 5:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/2017 "2020-04-11T17:52:51Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Does not change a thing. Good, because there is no problem in that price range to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![Marek\_Kanenald](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marek_kanenald/32/257788_2.png) [@Marek\_Kanenald](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marek_Kanenald)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2020, 5:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/2018 "2020-04-11T17:53:48Z")
> [@Piotr\_Leusten](#): > > Because an additional goal, IMO, was increasing the size of the ISK sinks in market trading. Which was needed, IMO. There is too much ISK in the game. Then increase sales tax, don’t tax interacting with the market before an item has even been transferred. ---
**Author:** ![Piotr\_Leusten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/piotr_leusten/32/169358_2.png) [@Piotr\_Leusten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Piotr_Leusten)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2020, 1:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/2019 "2020-04-12T01:22:16Z")
_shrug._ The exact mechanism doesn’t really matter to me. And this implementation does help with botting, by making stupid bots bankrupt themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Dragomir\_Krividus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dragomir_krividus/32/269154_2.png) [@Dragomir\_Krividus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dragomir_Krividus)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2020, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/2020 "2020-04-13T12:25:47Z")
Having Broker Fees at NPC station at 3% after grinding all the standings and skills compared to 1% effort free at player owned station feels deeply unfair, especially if when is applied multiple times through relist fees. Yes, I am referring to Perimeter-Jita relationship where most items traded physically reside in Jita but BUY orders placed remotely from Perimeter (1-jump range ones) enjoy smaller Broker Fees. That means 2% advantage for players operating from Perimeter, with zero effort investment. I’d like to see base broker fees reduced to 1%. That will still be some minuscule advantage to POS markets as 10 standings is not possible to reach, 9.x is the realistic maximum. To compensate that sales tax can be increased by the same 2%, though that will hit people selling to BUY orders. ---
**Author:** ![Piotr\_Leusten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/piotr_leusten/32/169358_2.png) [@Piotr\_Leusten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Piotr_Leusten)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2020, 1:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/2021 "2020-04-13T13:51:34Z")
And the thing stopping you from putting your own buy orders in Perimeter is… ? ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2020, 1:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/2022 "2020-04-13T13:55:41Z")
brain. ---
**Author:** ![Marek\_Kanenald](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marek_kanenald/32/257788_2.png) [@Marek\_Kanenald](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marek_Kanenald)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2020, 2:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/2023 "2020-04-13T14:13:01Z")
> [@Piotr\_Leusten](#): > > And the thing stopping you from putting your own buy orders in Perimeter is… ? And the thing that makes this good/interesting game design is? ---
**Author:** ![Piotr\_Leusten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/piotr_leusten/32/169358_2.png) [@Piotr\_Leusten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Piotr_Leusten)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2020, 2:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/2024 "2020-04-13T14:15:20Z")
Different question. I was answering someone complaining about unfair advantage. That was simply wrong. To answer your question: because CCP wants to push most market activity into player-owned stations – stations that can be attacked, or you can lose access to, etc. NPC stations are too safe. So if you want to camp out in an NPC station, you can – it’ll just be expensive. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2020, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/2025 "2020-04-13T14:17:21Z")
> [@Piotr\_Leusten](#): > > You complained about unfair advantage. That was simply wrong. No it’s not. He’s right that it’s unfair advantage. That was literally CCP saying “USE IT USE IT YOU WILL MAKE PROFIT” so they made citadel market more interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Piotr\_Leusten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/piotr_leusten/32/169358_2.png) [@Piotr\_Leusten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Piotr_Leusten)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2020, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/2026 "2020-04-13T14:17:51Z")
It’s not an unfair advantage if it’s equally available to anyone who wants to use it. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2020, 2:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/2027 "2020-04-13T14:18:52Z")
It’s not. You need to be accepted by the owner’s corporation. ---
**Author:** ![Marek\_Kanenald](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marek_kanenald/32/257788_2.png) [@Marek\_Kanenald](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marek_Kanenald)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2020, 2:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/2028 "2020-04-13T14:19:45Z")
> To answer your question: because CCP wants to push most market activity into player-owned stations – stations that can be attacked, or you can lose access to, etc. NPC stations are too safe. So if you want to camp out in an NPC station, you can – it’ll just be expensive. But that isn’t what is happening. The majority of goods never leave Jita. People just set the buy order from a station (most of) the goods never end up in and sell them in Jita again because it has better trading volume. ---
**Author:** ![Piotr\_Leusten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/piotr_leusten/32/169358_2.png) [@Piotr\_Leusten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Piotr_Leusten)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2020, 2:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/2029 "2020-04-13T14:20:47Z")
That is true. In the specific case of Tranquility Trading in Perimeter, however, it’s open to nearly everyone, AFAIK. ---
**Author:** ![Piotr\_Leusten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/piotr_leusten/32/169358_2.png) [@Piotr\_Leusten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Piotr_Leusten)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2020, 2:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/2030 "2020-04-13T14:21:17Z")
> [@Marek\_Kanenald](#): > > > To answer your question: because CCP wants to push most market activity into player-owned stations – stations that can be attacked, or you can lose access to, etc. NPC stations are too safe. So if you want to camp out in an NPC station, you can – it’ll just be expensive. > > But that isn’t what is happening. The majority of goods never leave Jita. People just set the buy order from a station (most of) the goods never end up in and sell them in Jita again because it has better trading volume. Yes, that is how buy/sell orders work. So what? ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2020, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/2031 "2020-04-13T14:23:00Z")
> [@Piotr\_Leusten](#): > > That is true. In the specific case of Tranquility Trading in Perimeter, however, it’s open to nearly everyone, AFAIK. It does not change that the mechanism allows to be unfair. Also it’s literally CCP trying to push people out of Jita. That’s why it’s actually unfair, because CCP is tweaking the mechanism to give an advantage to the TTT by construction. > [@Piotr\_Leusten](#): > > So what? So that makes an imba/unfair mechanism. The broker fee should be the same if you buy in jita from jita, or in jita from perimeter. ---
**Author:** ![Piotr\_Leusten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/piotr_leusten/32/169358_2.png) [@Piotr\_Leusten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Piotr_Leusten)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2020, 2:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/2032 "2020-04-13T14:32:51Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > It does not change that the mechanism allows to be unfair. > Also it’s literally CCP trying to push people out of Jita. That’s why it’s actually unfair, because CCP is tweaking the mechanism to give an advantage to the TTT by construction. > > The broker fee should be the same if you buy in jita from jita, or in jita from perimeter. CCP trying adjust the game to move the bulk of trading out of NPC stations is not “unfair”. You may think it’s a bad idea; you may not like it; but it’s not unfair. And there’s no compelling reason the broker fee should be the same everywhere. The point of a market is that you can chase different balances of cost/risk/reward. Want to be perfectly safe at all times? Do all your trading completely within NPC stations, and pay the higher cost. Willing to risk your orders and assets in a player-owned station? Go for it. In return for the higher risk, you get the lower cost. Put in the time to join (or be friendly to) a group that has itself put in the time to dominate trading in a particular area? Reap the rewards through lower costs. None of that is “unfair” in an overall game sense. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2020, 2:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/2033 "2020-04-13T14:47:21Z")
> [@Piotr\_Leusten](#): > > Willing to risk your orders and assets in a player-owned station? Go for it. In return for the higher risk, you get the lower cost. You are not risking anything in TTT. That’s where your argument is sour. ---
**Author:** ![Piotr\_Leusten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/piotr_leusten/32/169358_2.png) [@Piotr\_Leusten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Piotr_Leusten)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2020, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/2034 "2020-04-13T14:58:08Z")
But neither is your competition, as there is no real barrier to trading in TTT. First you use the fact that TTT is an outlier to dismiss it, now you’re trying to use TTT to prove a point. Is TTT an outlier or not? ---
**Author:** ![Marek\_Kanenald](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marek_kanenald/32/257788_2.png) [@Marek\_Kanenald](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marek_Kanenald)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2020, 3:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752/2035 "2020-04-13T15:21:42Z")
> [@Piotr\_Leusten](#): > > Yes, that is how buy/sell orders work. So what? So your argument of market activity being pushed to player owned stations just isn’t true. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752.md?page=97) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/broker-relations/221752.md?page=99)