# Buff Tier 3's **URL:** \ **Category:** PvP Ships & Modules\ **Created:** [February 13, 2018, 7:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/buff-tier-3s/57101 "2018-02-13T19:46:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Pur3Bl00D](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pur3bl00d/32/384679_2.png) [@Pur3Bl00D](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pur3Bl00D)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2018, 7:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/buff-tier-3s/57101/1 "2018-02-13T19:46:17Z")
hello people I believe tier 3 battleships (abaddon, hyperion, rokh, maelstorm) need a buff in CPU, POWER extra HP and an additional 1-2 slots. Anyone agree with me? regards ---
**Author:** ![Quelza](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quelza/32/36089_2.png) [@Quelza](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Quelza)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2018, 8:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/buff-tier-3s/57101/2 "2018-02-13T20:15:01Z")
What are the specific weaknesses you see in each that you feel need addressing, and why? ---
**Author:** ![Pur3Bl00D](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pur3bl00d/32/384679_2.png) [@Pur3Bl00D](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pur3Bl00D)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2018, 8:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/buff-tier-3s/57101/3 "2018-02-13T20:43:17Z")
They all are not worth the price premium compared to tier 1 and 2 or single tier as the two other battleships now are ---
**Author:** ![Quelza](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quelza/32/36089_2.png) [@Quelza](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Quelza)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2018, 8:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/buff-tier-3s/57101/4 "2018-02-13T20:44:42Z")
That’s an incredibly generic answer and has more to do with supply and demand than it does the stats and usages of the ship. ---
**Author:** ![Pur3Bl00D](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pur3bl00d/32/384679_2.png) [@Pur3Bl00D](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pur3Bl00D)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2018, 8:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/buff-tier-3s/57101/5 "2018-02-13T20:50:24Z")
OK, so i’ll try to be more specific then Abaddon has cap issues hyperion has not enough DPS Rokh has not enough DPS Maelstorm is missing HP ---
**Author:** ![Caleb\_Seremshur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caleb_seremshur/32/399348_2.png) [@Caleb\_Seremshur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caleb_Seremshur)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2018, 9:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/buff-tier-3s/57101/6 "2018-02-13T21:13:29Z")
I’m not an expert with these specific hulls but abaddon is a laser ship, you can put a battery on to extend cap life. It’s really more for sustained fights against larger targets. You could use it to wear down HAW dreads quite cheaply. Hyperion has no lack of dps it is one of the better battleships. Treat it like an oversized myrmidon. Wear your opponent down. Rokh is like abaddon but just different skillset. It used to have a time and a place but these days it’s largely obsolete due a particular weakness to bombers thanks to fat sig. Maelstrom is kind of archetypal minmatar ship, it can be fit in multiple ways and your opponents needs to take an educated guess. If they make a mistake it’s their fault. ---
**Author:** ![Lady\_Ayeipsia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lady_ayeipsia/32/23528_2.png) [@Lady\_Ayeipsia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lady_Ayeipsia)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2018, 9:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/buff-tier-3s/57101/7 "2018-02-13T21:15:30Z")
Also, the recent Alpha Strike event generated a large supply of Battleships as a reward. These ships probably flooded the market driving those prices down. Give it time and they will rebound. Oh and I don’t believe cost was ever a balancing point on BSes. And if it was, the solution would be to reduce mineral requirements. ---
**Author:** ![elitatwo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elitatwo/32/373473_2.png) [@elitatwo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/elitatwo)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2018, 9:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/buff-tier-3s/57101/8 "2018-02-13T21:19:58Z")
> [@Pur3Bl00D](#): > > hyperion has not enough DPS Wait 1300dps is above what the others can do. How is that not “enough”? ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2018, 11:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/buff-tier-3s/57101/9 "2018-02-13T23:36:14Z")
[quote=“Pur3Bl00D, post:5, topic:57101, full:true”] OK, so i’ll try to be more specific then Abaddon has cap issues[/quote] It also has an absolute beast of a tank. The cap issue can be easily solved by either fitting it with Artillery rather than Lazorz, or by bringing along Logi cruisers who can feed them cap. > [@Pur3Bl00D](#): > > hyperion has not enough DPS Hyperion has plenty of DPS, it can just have some issues applying that DPS to smaller targets. This is a common problem faced by L size weapons. > [@Pur3Bl00D](#): > > Rokh has not enough DPS Rokh can apply that DPS at a ridiculous range. > [@Pur3Bl00D](#): > > Maelstorm is missing HP Maelstrom has an insane Alpha Strike at respectable range. It’s bonused for Shield Boosters. ---
**Author:** ![Soldier\_Forrester](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/soldier_forrester/32/404576_2.png) [@Soldier\_Forrester](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Soldier_Forrester)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 12:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/buff-tier-3s/57101/10 "2018-02-15T00:35:15Z")
They could all be great active tanked solo PvP ships. All they need is a small cargo buff by more than 200% ---
**Author:** ![elitatwo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elitatwo/32/373473_2.png) [@elitatwo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/elitatwo)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 1:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/buff-tier-3s/57101/11 "2018-02-15T01:07:25Z")
> [@Mephiztopheleze](#): > > The cap issue The Abaddon is not alone with the capacitor “issue”. The Hyperion and the Rokh will cap themselves out very quickly by just shooting their guns. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 2:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/buff-tier-3s/57101/12 "2018-02-15T14:04:44Z")
the fix is simple : don’t shoot your guns. Shoot the SB instead. ---
**Author:** ![Skander\_Parzival](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skander_parzival/32/54883_2.png) [@Skander\_Parzival](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skander_Parzival)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 2:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/buff-tier-3s/57101/13 "2018-02-15T14:29:23Z")
See one rokh? Take a missle assoult frigate and laugh ---
**Author:** ![Gian\_Bal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gian_bal/32/397310_2.png) [@Gian\_Bal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gian_Bal)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 10:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/buff-tier-3s/57101/14 "2018-02-16T10:43:02Z")
Abaddon is a big amarr laser boat, they all have cap issues, it’s the tradeoff with lasers. Hyperion can easily push 1-1.4k dps, stop spewing ■■■■, it has a full rack of blasters + full flight of heavies. Rokh is pretty clearly a sniping ship, its got an optimal range bonus and hybrids do enough dps without damage bonuses anyway. Maelstrom is a heavy active tank shield ship, it’s tank is in shield boosting, not buffer. ---
**Author:** ![elitatwo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elitatwo/32/373473_2.png) [@elitatwo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/elitatwo)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 2:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/buff-tier-3s/57101/15 "2018-02-16T14:33:19Z")
Tier 3 battleships are not the only sad battleships in EVE at the moment. ---
**Author:** ![Soldarius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/soldarius/32/313493_2.png) [@Soldarius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Soldarius)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 3:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/buff-tier-3s/57101/16 "2018-02-16T15:17:57Z")
Price is not a balancing issue. Its a supply and demand issue. Hyperion has a metric crap-tonne of dps. Fit it with blasters, local reppers, grappler, and go to town. Rokh and Mael are fine. They are both used in nulsec main-line dps/alpha fleets. ---
**Author:** ![elitatwo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elitatwo/32/373473_2.png) [@elitatwo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/elitatwo)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 1:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/buff-tier-3s/57101/17 "2018-02-17T01:06:34Z")
> [@Soldarius](#): > > Rokh and Mael are fine. They are both used in nulsec main-line dps/alpha fleets. And if goons would bring 5000 stabbers to highsec, that would make people believe that the stabber is the most op ship in the game. Being used by a blobb doesn’t mean the ship is good but there is other ship with the same or better abilities. ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 9:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/buff-tier-3s/57101/18 "2018-02-17T09:45:32Z")
Jump Rokhs are a _thing_ that works rather well ---
**Author:** ![Wanda\_Fayne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wanda_fayne/32/377654_2.png) [@Wanda\_Fayne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wanda_Fayne)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/buff-tier-3s/57101/19 "2018-02-17T11:47:30Z")
All of these ships can be fitted with Large Smartbombs. Just sayin… ---
**Author:** ![Pur3Bl00D](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pur3bl00d/32/384679_2.png) [@Pur3Bl00D](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pur3Bl00D)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 1:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/buff-tier-3s/57101/20 "2018-02-17T13:20:08Z")
the abaddon with its armor tanking resist bonuses seems most suited for it though [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/buff-tier-3s/57101.md?page=2)