# Bug ? hack? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 16, 2017, 11:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bug-hack/45711 "2017-12-16T11:12:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![M51](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/m51/32/70419_2.png) [@M51](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/M51)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 11:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bug-hack/45711/1 "2017-12-16T11:12:49Z")
Hi, i farm nest but a strange player come, steal all my wrecks and i can’t engage ? Why ? ![cht](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/e/c/ec534e545e0e09a1186cfaf8aa6e54b80bfe41f7.jpg) Is in HS. This guy already made it with other player. He come, he steal wrecks and impossible to engage. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 11:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bug-hack/45711/2 "2017-12-16T11:21:37Z")
Steal wrecks? By salvaging maybe? Salvaging is not stealing. If he takes loot from inside of your wreck, then you can engage. ---
**Author:** ![Keno\_Skir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keno_skir/32/460582_2.png) [@Keno\_Skir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keno_Skir)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bug-hack/45711/3 "2017-12-16T11:23:00Z")
If he left the loot in boxes he did not steal anything. Salvage is not theft. ---
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bug-hack/45711/4 "2017-12-16T11:23:11Z")
Wrecks do not belong to anyone. They are free game, therefore it is not theft. You could have still engaged him, if you hadn’t had your protection button set to green, or yellow. Of course, the consequences you’d need to be willing to accept. ---
**Author:** ![M51](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/m51/32/70419_2.png) [@M51](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/M51)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 11:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bug-hack/45711/5 "2017-12-16T11:41:20Z")
totaly steal wreck he take all in wreck. 1- i kill npc 2-he go fast on full wreck 3- he steal all items in wreck. no concorde, can’t engage… ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bug-hack/45711/6 "2017-12-16T11:47:56Z")
Whats your safety set to? ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 11:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bug-hack/45711/7 "2017-12-16T11:49:23Z")
If he was in range and stil in site, not jumping out, than maybe a bug? Someone had this bug with jump cloak few days ago: > [@Decloaked Instantly After Jumping](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/decloaked-instantly-after-jumping/44844/11): > > 5ilent 5hift [image] He got your cloak. joy CCP fix your game. Maybe this player got it too and decided to exploit it. Safety even set to green allows you to engage suspects. ---
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 11:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bug-hack/45711/8 "2017-12-16T11:50:26Z")
You **have** to differentiate between wrecks and loot, otherwise we don’t know what you are talking about. So he actually stole your loot, not just the wreck. I see. > [@M51](#): > > This guy already made it with other player. What does this mean? ---
**Author:** ![M51](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/m51/32/70419_2.png) [@M51](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/M51)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 12:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bug-hack/45711/9 "2017-12-16T12:01:38Z")
No jumping, nothing he was at 10km to me and not moving only for steal wrecks when i kill npc. i mean i read in local other players say the same thing to me. “Wreck stealer can’t engage” ---
**Author:** ![M51](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/m51/32/70419_2.png) [@M51](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/M51)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 12:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bug-hack/45711/10 "2017-12-16T12:04:07Z")
if you want to find the strange guy go to Hapala 0.9 and nearby sytem. > **[Rainery Toralen | Character](https://zkillboard.com/character/91712725/)** > > Rainery Toralen: 1,562 ships destroyed and 97 ships lost. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 12:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bug-hack/45711/11 "2017-12-16T12:15:07Z")
Lol, as someone who “steals” wrecks all the time … he likely just got top damage on the overmind (like I’m doing 95% of the time). I see a lot of people don’t understand what actually happens, there were even two who engaged me with switched off safety, only to end as a kill mail. ---
**Author:** ![M51](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/m51/32/70419_2.png) [@M51](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/M51)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 12:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bug-hack/45711/12 "2017-12-16T12:17:02Z")
wrong he never hit. wreck are withe is mine 100% ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 12:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bug-hack/45711/13 "2017-12-16T12:19:56Z")
Then you may be messed up your overview … because if he loots “your” white wreck, you can freely engage regardless of your safety settings. If he just salvages your wreck (don’t touch the loot), this is not a crimewatch sanctioned act, and totally legal. There is no grey, it’s clear rules. ---
**Author:** ![M51](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/m51/32/70419_2.png) [@M51](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/M51)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 12:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bug-hack/45711/14 "2017-12-16T12:20:53Z")
it’s was i said… He jsut steal wreck and i can’t engage. And juste not me other players say the same thing on local. He never hit. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 12:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bug-hack/45711/15 "2017-12-16T12:22:45Z")
You just don’t understand what happens. If you are in doubt open a ticket and GM will explain it to you (they can check the logs). If I have time later, I may pay the system a visit … ---
**Author:** ![M51](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/m51/32/70419_2.png) [@M51](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/M51)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bug-hack/45711/16 "2017-12-16T12:25:14Z")
he come, he stand near me he did nothing. i kill npc and he run on wreck for steal. Maybe now we can steal all wrecks in hs without penalty… ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 12:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bug-hack/45711/17 "2017-12-16T12:29:11Z")
To avoid that he runs or cloaks, always lock the ship before he steals the loot … cloak can be prevented by just standing close enough (\<2000m). ---
**Author:** ![M51](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/m51/32/70419_2.png) [@M51](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/M51)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 12:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bug-hack/45711/18 "2017-12-16T12:29:32Z")
2500\* ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 12:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bug-hack/45711/19 "2017-12-16T12:32:28Z")
So he is not getting suspect timer when he takes from wreck white to you? Maybe you are with him in fleet? ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 12:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bug-hack/45711/20 "2017-12-16T12:33:06Z")
> [@M51](#): > > 2500\* Yeah, but 2000 is also fine 😉 Anyway 19j is too far … you have to sort it out yourself. Lock him, kill the wreck, have your mouse on the scram/disruptor and klick the moment he loots / gets flashy. If he uses stabs, you may need more scrams / more people. [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/bug-hack/45711.md?page=2)